Canon 5D2 support?

Edouard Saba · January 26th, 2009, 03:07 AM

Actually the reason why I want to edit direct on Premiere the original mov files is that I want to avoid too many convertions (sometimes I have many files). But If I use the converted audio of the Cineform AVI, it is indeed longer than the mov. So I get problems with synch.
Actually the problem is only during preview. If I stop it and then start it again, the problem is gone for a while. When I export the mov after editing, the audio is perfect.

Edouard Saba · February 1st, 2009, 10:06 AM

So, I finally managed to get it right (just by chance). That means I can import the original MOV file on Premiere in a new Cineform project, edit them with perfect preview and without rendering (audio and sound) and export them as a AVI Cineform. Now HD link convertion worked one time in the right way, but then it stopped as usual. The only thing I know is that after istalling again the Vista Codecs from shark007 and choosing set the mov to use Haali splitter it started finally to work without the audio delays...

Edouard Saba · February 1st, 2009, 12:17 PM

PS: with Windows 7 I still didn't manage to get it work perfectly.

Ozan Biron · February 3rd, 2009, 07:15 PM

hey David,

I need a bit of a reality check... So i can plan around this stressful project of mine.

I have a huge client job that is due in 2 weeks. We shot mostly at night with the mark II.

Realistically do u think this new neo V4 would get released sometime this week or next? Is there a projected released date? End of feb?

Im in a bit of a panic. SHould i plan for plan B? Or hang in as somthing might come out soon?

Yang Wen · February 6th, 2009, 10:23 AM

Check out the free transcoding solution I posted here.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/canon-eos...-solution.html

Works pretty well and the software feels very robust and reliable.

Didier Perrichon · February 8th, 2009, 01:36 AM

Using CineForm HDLink (And windows XP ), I also had major problems with audio.
(In fact, I had no audio at all !)

So I installed ffdshow and tried to ensure that it decodes the audio (And audio only):

ffdshow:
Video decoder: uncheck all supported video
Audio decoder: check "Raw files" (Uncompressed : all supported)

(CoreAVC: as usual)

Result is perfect.
(Sorry for my bad english)

David Newman · February 8th, 2009, 10:13 AM

Didier,

Thanks for an excellent solution for handling the audio under NEO HD.

Edouard Saba · February 8th, 2009, 01:50 PM

Well, after following your suggestion, cineform didn't work anymore on my pc (probably because ffdshow caused conflicts with vistacodecs). I couldn't get any preview starting on premiere. I had to uninstall ffdshow, vistacodecs and corecodec because I couldn't get anymore the right settings. Then, after many tries, I managed to get it work like before.

Jay Bloomfield · February 8th, 2009, 09:32 PM

I'm leery of ffdshow anyway, but it didn't work, with it installed under Vista x64 (as per your suggestions for setting the ffdshow options). 5D2 MOV files converted to CFHD AVI, either had no audio (no change) or would lock up the media players, when playing the file (new result).

Didier Perrichon · February 9th, 2009, 01:53 AM

I’m leery of Vista. So I've only tried this method under XP

On my first PC, it worked right from the first try.
On the second, it was a bit more complicated: After installing ffdshow, I was obliged to re-install CoreAVC and NEO HD, reboot the PC, and so on… (Windows, my love)
But now, it works perfectly well

Jay Bloomfield · February 9th, 2009, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Didier Perrichon

I’m leery of Vista. ..

LOL, aren't we all. Maybe if I have some free time later, I'll try uninstalling/reinstalling CoreAVC & NEO HD.

BTW, I don't see why people think Windows 7 is going to be such a big improvement.

Taroen Pasman · February 10th, 2009, 03:55 PM

I've tried the ffd approach but it didn't work, still no sound.

I'm a total video noob but here is what (seems) to work for me...

After de-installing Cineform and re-installing it gave a message that no valic AC3 decoder was found and suggested I installed ac3filter from AC3Filter
After I installed ac3filter I have sound :)

Jay Bloomfield · February 10th, 2009, 07:56 PM

There's a new version of the CoreAVC (1.9.0) h.264 decoder, which will take advantage of nVidia's CUDA GPU programming framework. You need to have an nVidia graphics card, of recent vintage and have a CUDA-aware Windows video driver of at least version 181.69. The most recent beta driver (182.05) works fine (Just tried it).

<simplified explanation alert> What CUDA does, is it uses your GPU cores as mini-CPUs, to do calculations, in addition to providing the raw video to your display. Think of it this way. In a "normal" computer setup, the CPU would have the responsibility of the math to create a wire frame of a 3D object and the GPU would handle coloring it in. In the case of a decoder, normally the CPU would spend it's time turning the file's contents into pixels and the GPU would just worry about painting the pixels on the screen. CUDA allows the graphics card to "help" the CPU with the decoding.

There's also a new version (1.1.1) of the CUDA-based h.264 encoder, BadaBoom:

Products | badaboomit.com

The trial is full-featured and expires after 30 encodes.

Charles W. Hull · February 11th, 2009, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Bloomfield

There's a new version of the CoreAVC (1.9.0) h.264 decoder, which will take advantage of nVidia's CUDA GPU programming framework. You need to have an nVidia graphics card, of recent vintage and have a CUDA-aware Windows video driver of at least version 181.69. The most recent beta driver (182.05) works fine (Just tried it).

There's also a new version (1.1.1) of the CUDA-based h.264 encoder, BadaBoom:

Products | badaboomit.com

The trial is full-featured and expires after 30 encodes.

I've been playing 5DII and AVCHD clips all night with CoreAVC 1.9.0 with Windows Media Player. Really smooth, and the CPU is doing very little, it's all in the GPU - very nice. Now I have to try Badaboom.

January 26th, 2009, 03:07 AM	#31
Edouard Saba Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Berlin Germany Posts: 25	Actually the reason why I want to edit direct on Premiere the original mov files is that I want to avoid too many convertions (sometimes I have many files). But If I use the converted audio of the Cineform AVI, it is indeed longer than the mov. So I get problems with synch. Actually the problem is only during preview. If I stop it and then start it again, the problem is gone for a while. When I export the mov after editing, the audio is perfect. Last edited by Edouard Saba; January 26th, 2009 at 04:49 AM.

February 3rd, 2009, 07:15 PM	#34
Ozan Biron Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Vancouver, CANADA Posts: 137	hey David, I need a bit of a reality check... So i can plan around this stressful project of mine. I have a huge client job that is due in 2 weeks. We shot mostly at night with the mark II. Realistically do u think this new neo V4 would get released sometime this week or next? Is there a projected released date? End of feb? Im in a bit of a panic. SHould i plan for plan B? Or hang in as somthing might come out soon? __________________ www.ozan.ca

February 8th, 2009, 01:36 AM	#36
Didier Perrichon New Boot Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Rennes France Posts: 16	NEO HD v3.4.9 + CoreAVC (Video) + ffdshow (Audio) Using CineForm HDLink (And windows XP ), I also had major problems with audio. (In fact, I had no audio at all !) So I installed ffdshow and tried to ensure that it decodes the audio (And audio only): ffdshow: Video decoder: uncheck all supported video Audio decoder: check "Raw files" (Uncompressed : all supported) (CoreAVC: as usual) Result is perfect. (Sorry for my bad english)

February 8th, 2009, 10:13 AM	#37
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Didier, Thanks for an excellent solution for handling the audio under NEO HD. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

February 8th, 2009, 01:50 PM	#38
Edouard Saba Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Berlin Germany Posts: 25	Well, after following your suggestion, cineform didn't work anymore on my pc (probably because ffdshow caused conflicts with vistacodecs). I couldn't get any preview starting on premiere. I had to uninstall ffdshow, vistacodecs and corecodec because I couldn't get anymore the right settings. Then, after many tries, I managed to get it work like before. Last edited by Edouard Saba; February 8th, 2009 at 02:57 PM.

February 1st, 2009, 10:06 AM	#32
Edouard Saba Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Berlin Germany Posts: 25	So, I finally managed to get it right (just by chance). That means I can import the original MOV file on Premiere in a new Cineform project, edit them with perfect preview and without rendering (audio and sound) and export them as a AVI Cineform. Now HD link convertion worked one time in the right way, but then it stopped as usual. The only thing I know is that after istalling again the Vista Codecs from shark007 and choosing set the mov to use Haali splitter it started finally to work without the audio delays...

February 1st, 2009, 12:17 PM	#33
Edouard Saba Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Berlin Germany Posts: 25	PS: with Windows 7 I still didn't manage to get it work perfectly.

February 6th, 2009, 10:23 AM	#35
Yang Wen Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 991	Check out the free transcoding solution I posted here. http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/canon-eos...-solution.html Works pretty well and the software feels very robust and reliable.

February 8th, 2009, 09:32 PM	#39
Jay Bloomfield Major Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Voorheesville, NY Posts: 433	I'm leery of ffdshow anyway, but it didn't work, with it installed under Vista x64 (as per your suggestions for setting the ffdshow options). 5D2 MOV files converted to CFHD AVI, either had no audio (no change) or would lock up the media players, when playing the file (new result).

February 9th, 2009, 01:53 AM	#40
Didier Perrichon New Boot Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Rennes France Posts: 16	I’m leery of Vista. So I've only tried this method under XP On my first PC, it worked right from the first try. On the second, it was a bit more complicated: After installing ffdshow, I was obliged to re-install CoreAVC and NEO HD, reboot the PC, and so on… (Windows, my love) But now, it works perfectly well

February 10th, 2009, 03:55 PM	#42
Taroen Pasman New Boot Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Houten (Netherlands) Posts: 11	I've tried the ffd approach but it didn't work, still no sound. I'm a total video noob but here is what (seems) to work for me... After de-installing Cineform and re-installing it gave a message that no valic AC3 decoder was found and suggested I installed ac3filter from AC3Filter After I installed ac3filter I have sound :)

February 10th, 2009, 07:56 PM	#43
Jay Bloomfield Major Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Voorheesville, NY Posts: 433	There's a new version of the CoreAVC (1.9.0) h.264 decoder, which will take advantage of nVidia's CUDA GPU programming framework. You need to have an nVidia graphics card, of recent vintage and have a CUDA-aware Windows video driver of at least version 181.69. The most recent beta driver (182.05) works fine (Just tried it). <simplified explanation alert> What CUDA does, is it uses your GPU cores as mini-CPUs, to do calculations, in addition to providing the raw video to your display. Think of it this way. In a "normal" computer setup, the CPU would have the responsibility of the math to create a wire frame of a 3D object and the GPU would handle coloring it in. In the case of a decoder, normally the CPU would spend it's time turning the file's contents into pixels and the GPU would just worry about painting the pixels on the screen. CUDA allows the graphics card to "help" the CPU with the decoding. There's also a new version (1.1.1) of the CUDA-based h.264 encoder, BadaBoom: Products \| badaboomit.com The trial is full-featured and expires after 30 encodes.