Release Date for Cineform CS4

Dan Herrmann · January 29th, 2009, 06:49 PM

I am holding off on starting a large project as I want to edit in CS4.
I know the question has been asked but will the update for CS4 prospect HD be released this coming week?
Thanks

Craig Irving · January 29th, 2009, 07:00 PM

They hinted in another thread that there would be a slight delay, unfortunately.

I'm looking forward to it too, even if it's only just the importer functionality for now.

Adam Gold · January 29th, 2009, 08:14 PM

I got an email that said the upgrade discount expires on 2/15. As they'd previously said the discount would expire when the new version came out, that could be the projected date.

David Newman · January 29th, 2009, 09:15 PM

Some of the new stuff will start coming out around then, but not all at once. But we have to have a hard date of the discounted upgrade.

Adam Gold · January 29th, 2009, 09:30 PM

Oh, you are such a tease...

Billy Snider · January 30th, 2009, 08:49 AM

If I purchase PHD now for my CS2, will I be allowed a full/free upgrde to PHD CS4 when it is realeased?
I would just like to get a feel for this excellent product before I roll full speed in CS4
Thanks,
Biily

Billy Snider · January 30th, 2009, 09:50 AM

Answer is yes, found on site

Bill Gehrke · February 1st, 2009, 07:49 PM

What is the forecast of a new date for the NeoScene upgrade for CS4? I have a new HDV project that I would like capture with it.

Tilford Bartman · February 3rd, 2009, 08:36 PM

I'm upgrading my computer this weekend with Intel i7 920, 6gigs DDR3 1600, ASUS P6T6 WS Revolution motherboard, BFG 260 GEFORCE 896 ram, 150 gig WD Raptor System Drive, 300 Gig Seagate Applications Drive, 1TB G-tech ESATA external in software raid for video, ESATA Blue Ray burner, DVD CDRW Burner, on board sound (it's decent on this MB) but may install sound card?

OS- Vista Ultimate 64bit

Option 1: Plan to install Premiere CS4. I would like to use Prospect HD for it's real time and excellent codec, and Blackmagic Intensity card for overlay of time line to an HDMI external monitor, and perhaps later ingestion of 8 bit HD through HDMI once I have a better external raid array.

I'm waiting to see if Blackmagic, Cineform, and CS4 in 64 bit Vista will become a working reality? If so I will buy it right away.

Option 2: Alternative is to install my Matox RTx2 that I had running on my old Machine. They have new Matrox Tools Version that is for CS4 64 bit Vista, and you can overlay with RTx2 through DVI to an external monitor. Problem is that right now Matrox Tools RTx2 appears to be very full of problems with CS4 in 64 bit Vista, and I am not looking for a hair pulling project.

Option 3: Edius 5, with their HD spark card that has just HD out to external monitor. Apparently this all works well with 64 bit Vista. But I don't know Edius that well, and am much more familiar with Premiere, and also will have Photoshop and likely will have After Effects on my machine. Edius has great stability and excellent real time performance, but much less feature rich than premiere.

Any thoughts. . . anyone? Right now I think I'm going to be in a waiting mode more than anything else. There really doesn't appear to be any great option?

I do mostly 20-50 minute documentary on DVD of the history, culture, and genealogy of small villages on Polish Russian Boarder, but will now have Blue Ray option. I use motion video, quite a few stills, transitions, sometimes picture in a picture, etc. Sometimes music in the background and/or narration. I also just play around with video since days of Bravado MJPEG card, just prior to DV.

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Jon McGuffin · February 3rd, 2009, 10:43 PM

Tilford,

I'm going to interject here and throw in my two cents on the subject. I myself being somebody who is working with Vegas on an i7 platform and also using Vista Ultimate 64-bit.

My question for you would be do you really feel you need to use Vista 64? Yes, I realize in order to take advantage of all that RAM you don't have another choice however 64-bit software and the 64-bit VISTA actually use quite a bit more RAM.

The good news is that since Ultimate 64 ships with *both* 32-bit and 64-bit Windows in the box, why not just go ahead and work with the 32-bit version for now and hold onto that 64-bit version for down the road if/when the software you mentioned all matures to the point to really take advantage of that without the hassles that are going on right now?

Jon

Tilford Bartman · February 4th, 2009, 05:57 AM

I think the problem isn't an issue of 32 vs 64 bit Vista. The blackmagic design card and the matrox card all have 64bit Vista drivers. The problem is that these products including cineform prospect HD either don't work at all or are very buggy with Premiere CS4. Apparently Adobe released the SDK quite late, these guys haven't had much time, and apparently it's a job to rewrite them for CS4. Matrox appears to have been the first, but also seems to be having quite a few issues.

Probably what I'll do is I'll build my new machine, and install CS4 and After Effects. Then I'll just wait and see what develops. Right now I don't have any projects that need to get done. So I'll just play and get familiar with CS4 premiere and after effects.

Tilford

Roger Wilson · February 4th, 2009, 01:00 PM

I just recently upgraded my hardware. The path I chose was to install CS3 Premier Pro and After Effects, and then the full CS4 Master Collection. These can co-exist on your system. This way I can use the new features of Phoshop CS4 64 bit and still get video work done using Premier Pro CS3 + CineForm.

Roger

Paul Kepen · February 9th, 2009, 06:12 PM

Will there be an upgade path/discount for current Prospect users?
Thanks

Hernan Vilchez · February 9th, 2009, 06:49 PM

The same question as Paul, what will be the update policy to current ProspectHD users (clients prior to october 2008)?
Thanks

Ann Bens · February 12th, 2009, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Gehrke

What is the forecast of a new date for the NeoScene upgrade for CS4? I have a new HDV project that I would like capture with it.

So would i, bought NC a month ago, have not used it because of this importer thing.
So any news on the release date?

January 29th, 2009, 06:49 PM	#16
Dan Herrmann Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: villa park CA Posts: 81	Will we make the January goal for CS4 release I am holding off on starting a large project as I want to edit in CS4. I know the question has been asked but will the update for CS4 prospect HD be released this coming week? Thanks

January 29th, 2009, 09:15 PM	#19
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Some of the new stuff will start coming out around then, but not all at once. But we have to have a hard date of the discounted upgrade. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

January 30th, 2009, 08:49 AM	#21
Billy Snider Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: San Antonio, USA Posts: 28	CS4 Upgrade If I purchase PHD now for my CS2, will I be allowed a full/free upgrde to PHD CS4 when it is realeased? I would just like to get a feel for this excellent product before I roll full speed in CS4 Thanks, Biily Last edited by Billy Snider; January 30th, 2009 at 09:31 AM.

February 1st, 2009, 07:49 PM	#23
Bill Gehrke New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Great Falls, VA Posts: 6	NeoScene for CS4 What is the forecast of a new date for the NeoScene upgrade for CS4? I have a new HDV project that I would like capture with it. __________________ Bill

February 3rd, 2009, 08:36 PM	#24
Tilford Bartman New Boot Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: massachusetts Posts: 11	RE: Current Options I'm upgrading my computer this weekend with Intel i7 920, 6gigs DDR3 1600, ASUS P6T6 WS Revolution motherboard, BFG 260 GEFORCE 896 ram, 150 gig WD Raptor System Drive, 300 Gig Seagate Applications Drive, 1TB G-tech ESATA external in software raid for video, ESATA Blue Ray burner, DVD CDRW Burner, on board sound (it's decent on this MB) but may install sound card? OS- Vista Ultimate 64bit Option 1: Plan to install Premiere CS4. I would like to use Prospect HD for it's real time and excellent codec, and Blackmagic Intensity card for overlay of time line to an HDMI external monitor, and perhaps later ingestion of 8 bit HD through HDMI once I have a better external raid array. I'm waiting to see if Blackmagic, Cineform, and CS4 in 64 bit Vista will become a working reality? If so I will buy it right away. Option 2: Alternative is to install my Matox RTx2 that I had running on my old Machine. They have new Matrox Tools Version that is for CS4 64 bit Vista, and you can overlay with RTx2 through DVI to an external monitor. Problem is that right now Matrox Tools RTx2 appears to be very full of problems with CS4 in 64 bit Vista, and I am not looking for a hair pulling project. Option 3: Edius 5, with their HD spark card that has just HD out to external monitor. Apparently this all works well with 64 bit Vista. But I don't know Edius that well, and am much more familiar with Premiere, and also will have Photoshop and likely will have After Effects on my machine. Edius has great stability and excellent real time performance, but much less feature rich than premiere. Any thoughts. . . anyone? Right now I think I'm going to be in a waiting mode more than anything else. There really doesn't appear to be any great option? I do mostly 20-50 minute documentary on DVD of the history, culture, and genealogy of small villages on Polish Russian Boarder, but will now have Blue Ray option. I use motion video, quite a few stills, transitions, sometimes picture in a picture, etc. Sometimes music in the background and/or narration. I also just play around with video since days of Bravado MJPEG card, just prior to DV. Tilford Tilford Bartman is online now Report Post Edit/Delete Message

January 29th, 2009, 07:00 PM	#17
Craig Irving Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 539	They hinted in another thread that there would be a slight delay, unfortunately. I'm looking forward to it too, even if it's only just the importer functionality for now.

January 29th, 2009, 08:14 PM	#18
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	I got an email that said the upgrade discount expires on 2/15. As they'd previously said the discount would expire when the new version came out, that could be the projected date.

January 29th, 2009, 09:30 PM	#20
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	Oh, you are such a tease...

January 30th, 2009, 09:50 AM	#22
Billy Snider Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: San Antonio, USA Posts: 28	Answer is yes, found on site

February 3rd, 2009, 10:43 PM	#25
Jon McGuffin Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 634	Tilford, I'm going to interject here and throw in my two cents on the subject. I myself being somebody who is working with Vegas on an i7 platform and also using Vista Ultimate 64-bit. My question for you would be do you really feel you need to use Vista 64? Yes, I realize in order to take advantage of all that RAM you don't have another choice however 64-bit software and the 64-bit VISTA actually use quite a bit more RAM. The good news is that since Ultimate 64 ships with both 32-bit and 64-bit Windows in the box, why not just go ahead and work with the 32-bit version for now and hold onto that 64-bit version for down the road if/when the software you mentioned all matures to the point to really take advantage of that without the hassles that are going on right now? Jon

February 4th, 2009, 05:57 AM	#26
Tilford Bartman New Boot Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: massachusetts Posts: 11	CS4 Issue? I think the problem isn't an issue of 32 vs 64 bit Vista. The blackmagic design card and the matrox card all have 64bit Vista drivers. The problem is that these products including cineform prospect HD either don't work at all or are very buggy with Premiere CS4. Apparently Adobe released the SDK quite late, these guys haven't had much time, and apparently it's a job to rewrite them for CS4. Matrox appears to have been the first, but also seems to be having quite a few issues. Probably what I'll do is I'll build my new machine, and install CS4 and After Effects. Then I'll just wait and see what develops. Right now I don't have any projects that need to get done. So I'll just play and get familiar with CS4 premiere and after effects. Tilford

February 4th, 2009, 01:00 PM	#27
Roger Wilson Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Denver, CO, USA Posts: 85	I just recently upgraded my hardware. The path I chose was to install CS3 Premier Pro and After Effects, and then the full CS4 Master Collection. These can co-exist on your system. This way I can use the new features of Phoshop CS4 64 bit and still get video work done using Premier Pro CS3 + CineForm. Roger

February 9th, 2009, 06:12 PM	#28
Paul Kepen Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis Minnesota Posts: 347	Will there be an upgade path/discount for current Prospect users? Thanks

February 9th, 2009, 06:49 PM	#29
Hernan Vilchez Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 135	Actual ProspectHD users The same question as Paul, what will be the update policy to current ProspectHD users (clients prior to october 2008)? Thanks __________________ Hernan Vilchez kabopro.com myspace.com/kabopro