Neo Scene -- various topics

Phil Lochner · February 25th, 2009, 01:31 PM

I am now having problems with Cineform playback on both Source and Program monitors, regardless of if I use Draft or Automatic quality.

If my project is created with 1440x1080 @ 1.33, upper field first, it's jumpy playback.

If my project is created with 1440x1080 @ 1.33, no fields (progressive), it plays back perfectly smooth.

As far as I can tell, my HDR-SR11 shoots 1080/60i video, upper field first. I would guess that if my project settings were set identical to the resolution, aspect ratio, and field order of my footage, CS3 wouldn't need to do any additional processing when it plays the video, thus is should be perfectly smooth. Unfortunately this doesn's seem to be the case. Any ideas?

Julian Frost · February 25th, 2009, 04:18 PM

I have the exact same version of Windows XP (from the same DVD) installed twice on my computer, just separate boot drives) and use the Windows Boot Manager to select which copy of Windows I boot to. I do this so that I can do quick projects on my "messy" Windows installation, and do longer/more involved projects on the "clean" system.

Can I install my recently purchased Neo Scene on both Windows drives? It's the same Windows, the same hardware, and both Neo Scene installations cannot be used simultaneously.

Julian

Robert Gadsdon · February 25th, 2009, 06:45 PM

Just to confirm, version 110b108a-090215 appears to fix the problem, and I have closed the ticket.

Thank you.

David Newman · February 25th, 2009, 10:24 PM

Yes, that is allowed, if the second drive activation gives you any trouble, just send an email to support@cineform.com and tell what you are doing.

Edwin Baldwin · February 27th, 2009, 02:09 PM

I am trying to downconvert a Cineform HDV to SD with Premiere CS4 (Media Encoder) with no success. The downconverted files are corrupt. If I use Vegas Pro 8c the downconvert works perfectly. I assume I have the Premiere Media encoder parameters set incorrectly, Neo Scene needs the importer or Neo Scene has a problem. Any help appreciated.

Edwin Baldwin · March 3rd, 2009, 03:53 PM

Additional inoformation:

When I play the Adobe encoded clip with the Window Media Player, the clip plays at the correct aspect ratio, DV aspect ratio (Squeezed WS image). The clip has to be interpreted to correct aspect ratio. When the clip is played with WMP the first few seconds play fine and then the image hangs for the remainder of the clip. If I load the same clip in Vegas, the clip loads fine and is displayed with the correct aspect ratio (DV aspect ratio (Squeezed WS image)). When I play the clip in Vegas, the first few seconds play fine then the thumbnails turn red and the video preview goes black. The only way to recover is to close Vegas. One more quirk. The same clip is displayed in DVWS aspect ratio in Adobe, not the correct aspect ratio (DV aspect ratio (squeezed WS image) , and the preview screen turns black after a few seconds. I believe there are more problems than just the wrong aspect ratio.

David Newman · March 3rd, 2009, 04:10 PM

Try support. As Vegas and Premiere use the same component, if it works in Vegas and fails in Premirere, that is looking like a Premiere bug.

Billy Snider · March 9th, 2009, 06:12 PM

David,

Let me start off by telling you that I have purchased Prospect HD and am patiantly waiting for the CS4 version. Neo Scene rocks with CS4 and I am sure we can expect the same in all other Cineform products.

I am working on a "Peru non-profit" project with CS4/Neo Scene. I will be leaving the country agian before I can convert all my files and finish the project. I was wondering if it was possible to download a second 7 day trail version in Neo Scene upon my return to complete the file conversion... if the Prospect HD CS4 has not been released. Or can I get an extension to help me out. Return date will be Feb. 27...maybe another product will be released by this date and I can download trial.
Suggestions?

Billy

David Newman · March 9th, 2009, 06:17 PM

We should have v4 out soon. If you need an extension now you will have to make your case with support as they do that, unforutnately Neo Scene is hard to extend on some systems (we don't know why.)

Edwin Baldwin · March 9th, 2009, 06:38 PM

Is the Neo Scene codec supposed to show up as AVI codec in the AE CS4 Export render options?

Billy Snider · March 9th, 2009, 06:57 PM

Thank you!

David Newman · March 9th, 2009, 08:14 PM

Under the Output Module, Video for Window Format, you will find the "CineForm HD Codec V4.7.x".

Edwin Baldwin · March 9th, 2009, 09:18 PM

Thank you. :)

Tom Santopolo · March 12th, 2009, 09:27 AM

Can I install Neo Scene and Prospect 3 on the same system? I can't get HDLink to convert my AVCHD files (it crashes & tech support is working on it).

David Newman · March 12th, 2009, 09:34 AM

This fix is going into Prospect v4, as the fix for AVCHD require licensing components not available in PHD v3. v4 will be out in a few weeks.

February 25th, 2009, 04:18 PM	#62
Julian Frost Major Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: California USA Posts: 576	Neo Scene and Dual-Booting Windows I have the exact same version of Windows XP (from the same DVD) installed twice on my computer, just separate boot drives) and use the Windows Boot Manager to select which copy of Windows I boot to. I do this so that I can do quick projects on my "messy" Windows installation, and do longer/more involved projects on the "clean" system. Can I install my recently purchased Neo Scene on both Windows drives? It's the same Windows, the same hardware, and both Neo Scene installations cannot be used simultaneously. Julian

February 25th, 2009, 10:24 PM	#64
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Yes, that is allowed, if the second drive activation gives you any trouble, just send an email to support@cineform.com and tell what you are doing. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

February 27th, 2009, 02:09 PM	#65
Edwin Baldwin Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Endicott New York Posts: 54	Premiere CS4 Neo Scene HDV SD downconvert I am trying to downconvert a Cineform HDV to SD with Premiere CS4 (Media Encoder) with no success. The downconverted files are corrupt. If I use Vegas Pro 8c the downconvert works perfectly. I assume I have the Premiere Media encoder parameters set incorrectly, Neo Scene needs the importer or Neo Scene has a problem. Any help appreciated. Last edited by Edwin Baldwin; February 28th, 2009 at 10:30 AM.

March 3rd, 2009, 04:10 PM	#67
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Try support. As Vegas and Premiere use the same component, if it works in Vegas and fails in Premirere, that is looking like a Premiere bug. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 9th, 2009, 06:12 PM	#68
Billy Snider Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: San Antonio, USA Posts: 28	Second download for Neo Scene David, Let me start off by telling you that I have purchased Prospect HD and am patiantly waiting for the CS4 version. Neo Scene rocks with CS4 and I am sure we can expect the same in all other Cineform products. I am working on a "Peru non-profit" project with CS4/Neo Scene. I will be leaving the country agian before I can convert all my files and finish the project. I was wondering if it was possible to download a second 7 day trail version in Neo Scene upon my return to complete the file conversion... if the Prospect HD CS4 has not been released. Or can I get an extension to help me out. Return date will be Feb. 27...maybe another product will be released by this date and I can download trial. Suggestions? Billy

February 25th, 2009, 01:31 PM	#61
Phil Lochner Tourist Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2	I am now having problems with Cineform playback on both Source and Program monitors, regardless of if I use Draft or Automatic quality. If my project is created with 1440x1080 @ 1.33, upper field first, it's jumpy playback. If my project is created with 1440x1080 @ 1.33, no fields (progressive), it plays back perfectly smooth. As far as I can tell, my HDR-SR11 shoots 1080/60i video, upper field first. I would guess that if my project settings were set identical to the resolution, aspect ratio, and field order of my footage, CS3 wouldn't need to do any additional processing when it plays the video, thus is should be perfectly smooth. Unfortunately this doesn's seem to be the case. Any ideas?

February 25th, 2009, 06:45 PM	#63
Robert Gadsdon New Boot Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Aylesbury. UK. Posts: 12	Just to confirm, version 110b108a-090215 appears to fix the problem, and I have closed the ticket. Thank you.

March 3rd, 2009, 03:53 PM	#66
Edwin Baldwin Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Endicott New York Posts: 54	Additional inoformation: When I play the Adobe encoded clip with the Window Media Player, the clip plays at the correct aspect ratio, DV aspect ratio (Squeezed WS image). The clip has to be interpreted to correct aspect ratio. When the clip is played with WMP the first few seconds play fine and then the image hangs for the remainder of the clip. If I load the same clip in Vegas, the clip loads fine and is displayed with the correct aspect ratio (DV aspect ratio (Squeezed WS image)). When I play the clip in Vegas, the first few seconds play fine then the thumbnails turn red and the video preview goes black. The only way to recover is to close Vegas. One more quirk. The same clip is displayed in DVWS aspect ratio in Adobe, not the correct aspect ratio (DV aspect ratio (squeezed WS image) , and the preview screen turns black after a few seconds. I believe there are more problems than just the wrong aspect ratio.

March 9th, 2009, 06:17 PM	#69
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	We should have v4 out soon. If you need an extension now you will have to make your case with support as they do that, unforutnately Neo Scene is hard to extend on some systems (we don't know why.) __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 9th, 2009, 06:38 PM	#70
Edwin Baldwin Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Endicott New York Posts: 54	Neo Scene & After Effects CS4 Is the Neo Scene codec supposed to show up as AVI codec in the AE CS4 Export render options?

March 9th, 2009, 06:57 PM	#71
Billy Snider Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: San Antonio, USA Posts: 28	Thank you!

March 9th, 2009, 08:14 PM	#72
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Under the Output Module, Video for Window Format, you will find the "CineForm HD Codec V4.7.x". Attached Thumbnails __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 9th, 2009, 09:18 PM	#73
Edwin Baldwin Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Endicott New York Posts: 54	Thank you. :)

March 12th, 2009, 09:27 AM	#74
Tom Santopolo Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vermont Posts: 60	Neo Scene and Prospect 3 Can I install Neo Scene and Prospect 3 on the same system? I can't get HDLink to convert my AVCHD files (it crashes & tech support is working on it).

March 12th, 2009, 09:34 AM	#75
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	This fix is going into Prospect v4, as the fix for AVCHD require licensing components not available in PHD v3. v4 will be out in a few weeks. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman