Cineform and Avid... What's in the Works? at DVinfo.net

Peter Moretti · October 7th, 2008, 09:27 AM

David alluded to work in progress with every NLE, including Avid.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/cineform-...-neo-4k-2.html

Can this be elaborated on at all?

Thanks very much.

David Newman · October 7th, 2008, 09:49 AM

Nothing to announce yet.

Richard Leadbetter · June 24th, 2009, 10:33 AM

Just to bump this, is there any update on CineForm/Avid compatibility? What is the best way to transcode at the moment?

David Taylor · June 27th, 2009, 11:15 AM

We hope to support Avid more tightly in the future, but we are not totally in control of the schedule. In the mean time MetaFuze (from Avid) can convert CineForm files for use in Media Composer.

Bill Ravens · June 27th, 2009, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Taylor

We hope to support Avid more tightly in the future, but we are not totally in control of the schedule. In the mean time MetaFuze (from Avid) can convert CineForm files for use in Media Composer.

Apparently LUT's cannot be applied within Metafuze, as of this time?

And a couple of other questions, if I may:
1- Transcoding of the Cineform DI seems to take much longer in Metafuze than within Avid Media Composer. Is this normal?
2- The Cineform DI is 10-bit. Yet Metafuze does not allow a 10-bit option in the compression format choice. Will this be changed?

David Taylor · June 27th, 2009, 08:32 PM

Bill, we're actually going to be looking more at MetaFuze in the coming few weeks. Consistent with your experience, ours also shows that it is slow. We know why, but it's a MetaFuze issue. We'll be experimenting to see if we can work around it to improve performance.

If you have Active Metadata applied on CineForm clips it can be flattened in when converting through MetaFuze - to whatever your destination format is - if you have the First Light application and the CineForm color database installed on the machine doing the conversion.

Bill Ravens · June 27th, 2009, 09:38 PM

Thanx for answering, David. I was hoping there was a way to define an LUT within Firstlight, then applying that LUT across some files during transcoding with Metafuze. Is that a possibility, at some time in the future?

David Newman · June 27th, 2009, 10:03 PM

The LUT should be applied, even in MetaFuze. A few months ago that may not have worked with MOV wrapped files, now all CineForm source will develop as First Light has set the image up.

Richard Leadbetter · June 28th, 2009, 05:13 AM

MetaFuze is nice but is there really no support at all for anything other than 24fps and 24fps drop frame? Seems like a rather savage drawback.

Bill Ravens · June 28th, 2009, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Leadbetter

MetaFuze is nice but is there really no support at all for anything other than 24fps and 24fps drop frame? Seems like a rather savage drawback.

Agreed..........

Peter Moretti · June 30th, 2009, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Ravens

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2- The Cineform DI is 10-bit. Yet Metafuze does not allow a 10-bit option in the compression format choice. Will this be changed?

That's really unfortunate. I'm assuming this is an Avid limitation not a Cineform one.

David Taylor · June 30th, 2009, 12:47 PM

Peter, it is an Avid limitation, but...we understand the next version of MetaFuze will support 10 bits. We still have to verify, but it's what we've been told. Hopefully we'll know more about this in the coming week or two.

Peter Moretti · June 30th, 2009, 07:37 PM

David,

BTW, as I'm sure you know, AMA is Avid's way of opening the program to more codecs w/o requiring a transcode. Perhaps this is a way to get Avid to work directly with Cineform files?

It seems that Avid is less set on protecting DNxHD from competition than it was in the past. And working directly w/ Avid w/o a transcode would really open up doors even futher for Cineform in the professional post world.

Is Avid working directly w/ Cineform is a real future possibility?

David Newman · July 1st, 2009, 08:42 AM

Yes it is a real possibility, we are working directly with Avid engineering to make this happen.

Bill Ravens · July 1st, 2009, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

Yes it is a real possibility, we are working directly with Avid engineering to make this happen.

That's the best news I've heard since I heard about FirstLight...great stuff, David.

October 7th, 2008, 09:27 AM	#1
Peter Moretti Trustee Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sherman Oaks, CA Posts: 1,259	Cineform and Avid... What's in the Works? David alluded to work in progress with every NLE, including Avid. http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/cineform-...-neo-4k-2.html Can this be elaborated on at all? Thanks very much.

October 7th, 2008, 09:49 AM	#2
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Nothing to announce yet. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

June 24th, 2009, 10:33 AM	#3
Richard Leadbetter Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 323	Just to bump this, is there any update on CineForm/Avid compatibility? What is the best way to transcode at the moment? __________________ Company Website: Digital Foundry Ltd Video Games HD Blog: Digital Foundry@Eurogamer

June 27th, 2009, 10:03 PM	#8
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	The LUT should be applied, even in MetaFuze. A few months ago that may not have worked with MOV wrapped files, now all CineForm source will develop as First Light has set the image up. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

June 28th, 2009, 05:13 AM	#9
Richard Leadbetter Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 323	MetaFuze is nice but is there really no support at all for anything other than 24fps and 24fps drop frame? Seems like a rather savage drawback. __________________ Company Website: Digital Foundry Ltd Video Games HD Blog: Digital Foundry@Eurogamer

June 27th, 2009, 11:15 AM	#4
David Taylor Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Solana Beach, CA Posts: 853	We hope to support Avid more tightly in the future, but we are not totally in control of the schedule. In the mean time MetaFuze (from Avid) can convert CineForm files for use in Media Composer.

June 27th, 2009, 08:32 PM	#6
David Taylor Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Solana Beach, CA Posts: 853	Bill, we're actually going to be looking more at MetaFuze in the coming few weeks. Consistent with your experience, ours also shows that it is slow. We know why, but it's a MetaFuze issue. We'll be experimenting to see if we can work around it to improve performance. If you have Active Metadata applied on CineForm clips it can be flattened in when converting through MetaFuze - to whatever your destination format is - if you have the First Light application and the CineForm color database installed on the machine doing the conversion.

June 27th, 2009, 09:38 PM	#7
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Thanx for answering, David. I was hoping there was a way to define an LUT within Firstlight, then applying that LUT across some files during transcoding with Metafuze. Is that a possibility, at some time in the future?

June 30th, 2009, 12:47 PM	#12
David Taylor Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Solana Beach, CA Posts: 853	Peter, it is an Avid limitation, but...we understand the next version of MetaFuze will support 10 bits. We still have to verify, but it's what we've been told. Hopefully we'll know more about this in the coming week or two.

June 30th, 2009, 07:37 PM	#13
Peter Moretti Trustee Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sherman Oaks, CA Posts: 1,259	David, BTW, as I'm sure you know, AMA is Avid's way of opening the program to more codecs w/o requiring a transcode. Perhaps this is a way to get Avid to work directly with Cineform files? It seems that Avid is less set on protecting DNxHD from competition than it was in the past. And working directly w/ Avid w/o a transcode would really open up doors even futher for Cineform in the professional post world. Is Avid working directly w/ Cineform is a real future possibility? __________________ Avid Media Composer 3.1.3. Boris Red and Continuum Complete. Vegas 8.0c. TMPGEnc Xpress Pro 4.0

July 1st, 2009, 08:42 AM	#14
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Yes it is a real possibility, we are working directly with Avid engineering to make this happen. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman