Can NEO help with this? at DVinfo.net

Paul Cascio · September 8th, 2008, 07:20 AM

I have some Vegas uncompressed DV AVI files that I up-rezzed in After Effects using Red Giant's Instant HD Advanced.

The files are now huge, as they are uncompressed HD (15 minutes = app. 80GB). Can I convert them to a smaller file size using NEO so I can then edit in Vegas?

David Newman · September 8th, 2008, 08:35 AM

Yes, NEO allows you to expect directly from AE into a CineForm AVI that plays in Vegas.

Matti Wallden · September 8th, 2008, 11:58 AM

I recommend to download a trial version first and try it if works correctly for you.

I'm using Aspect HD and it works otherwise fine but exporting large Cineform AVI file from AE results a crash every single time. Short files can be exported without any problems. I've have filled ticked but haven't heard anything from Cineform for two weeks so I guess (hope) they are looking for it if is a specific for me or more common problem.

Matti

Jay Bloomfield · September 8th, 2008, 05:29 PM

It never hurts to download and test the demo, but ... I can't say if Aspect HD or NEO HD generate errors with large files, but with NEO HDV, using "Render as ... Cineform avi" in After Effects, with big files, everything works fine in Vista x64. I wonder what the definition of "big" is? In any case, you can just convert your uncompressed avi files to Cineform using HDLink directly. You don't need to go back into AE and do anything.

Does Aspect HD even add anything useful to After Effects (other than making available the CFHD codec to AE)? I thought that is was designed to solely improve performance from within Adobe Premiere and that's the difference from the NEO packages.

David Newman · September 8th, 2008, 05:59 PM

After Effects is limited to 2GB export if you don't use the CineForm output module. Selecting "Video for Window" and the CineForm compressor is not the same, that is limited by AE's old AVI file writer. Matti, this is likely your issue. The Output Module inside the render queue is call "CineForm AVI", it supports trillion+ colors (PHD/4K and NEO HD/4K) and can produce much larger than 2GB files (I haven't found the limit yet.)

Jack Laurie · October 17th, 2008, 12:57 PM

I have a 40min dv that I'm trying to export (via render que) from ae cs3 with instant hd advanced. Using cineform avi. instant settings= dv 16:9 1.2 to 1440x1080 (to match the hd footage from hg10 in premiere pro project). get ~1.5gb or 2.5 gb and locks up. purging ram each 20 frames. 2gb mem. winxp 32bit, q6600 cpu. quadro fx 3000 agp card.

Any thoughts? btw is it ~right that 40min footage should take ~38hs est render?
Can I get the same results by just importing the dv into hdlink and exporting 1440x1080?

thanks,
Jack

Jack Laurie · October 19th, 2008, 12:51 AM

I tried everything the same except 10 min from the middle instead of the whole 40. It worked fine. Also, just upscaling thru hdlink isn't even close. Also upgraded video driver to most recent. and decrease ram purge to 5 frames instead of 20 whatever that does? guess I'll just have to piece meal it.

Matti Wallden · October 19th, 2008, 12:29 PM

In my case there are two ways to deal this:
1) If you have enough free space on your computer export it from AE as uncompressed AVI and import this to Premiere project and then export it as Cineform AVI.
2) Try to export as smaller pieces. In my case crashing is random so smaller clips are more often succesfully exported from AE.

My support ticket is still open and support is trying to reproduce problem so there is some hope left.

Matti

September 8th, 2008, 07:20 AM	#1
Paul Cascio Trustee Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bristol, CT (Home of EPSN) Posts: 1,192	Can NEO help with this? I have some Vegas uncompressed DV AVI files that I up-rezzed in After Effects using Red Giant's Instant HD Advanced. The files are now huge, as they are uncompressed HD (15 minutes = app. 80GB). Can I convert them to a smaller file size using NEO so I can then edit in Vegas? __________________ Paul Cascio www.pictureframingschool.com

September 8th, 2008, 08:35 AM	#2
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Yes, NEO allows you to expect directly from AE into a CineForm AVI that plays in Vegas. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

September 8th, 2008, 05:29 PM	#4
Jay Bloomfield Major Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Voorheesville, NY Posts: 433	It never hurts to download and test the demo, but ... I can't say if Aspect HD or NEO HD generate errors with large files, but with NEO HDV, using "Render as ... Cineform avi" in After Effects, with big files, everything works fine in Vista x64. I wonder what the definition of "big" is? In any case, you can just convert your uncompressed avi files to Cineform using HDLink directly. You don't need to go back into AE and do anything. Does Aspect HD even add anything useful to After Effects (other than making available the CFHD codec to AE)? I thought that is was designed to solely improve performance from within Adobe Premiere and that's the difference from the NEO packages. Last edited by Jay Bloomfield; September 8th, 2008 at 05:29 PM. Reason: typo

September 8th, 2008, 05:59 PM	#5
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	After Effects is limited to 2GB export if you don't use the CineForm output module. Selecting "Video for Window" and the CineForm compressor is not the same, that is limited by AE's old AVI file writer. Matti, this is likely your issue. The Output Module inside the render queue is call "CineForm AVI", it supports trillion+ colors (PHD/4K and NEO HD/4K) and can produce much larger than 2GB files (I haven't found the limit yet.) __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

October 17th, 2008, 12:57 PM	#6
Jack Laurie Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 33	im crashing export instant hd from ae with cineform too I have a 40min dv that I'm trying to export (via render que) from ae cs3 with instant hd advanced. Using cineform avi. instant settings= dv 16:9 1.2 to 1440x1080 (to match the hd footage from hg10 in premiere pro project). get ~1.5gb or 2.5 gb and locks up. purging ram each 20 frames. 2gb mem. winxp 32bit, q6600 cpu. quadro fx 3000 agp card. Any thoughts? btw is it ~right that 40min footage should take ~38hs est render? Can I get the same results by just importing the dv into hdlink and exporting 1440x1080? thanks, Jack

September 8th, 2008, 11:58 AM	#3
Matti Wallden Tourist Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 3	I recommend to download a trial version first and try it if works correctly for you. I'm using Aspect HD and it works otherwise fine but exporting large Cineform AVI file from AE results a crash every single time. Short files can be exported without any problems. I've have filled ticked but haven't heard anything from Cineform for two weeks so I guess (hope) they are looking for it if is a specific for me or more common problem. Matti

October 19th, 2008, 12:51 AM	#7
Jack Laurie Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 33	cont I tried everything the same except 10 min from the middle instead of the whole 40. It worked fine. Also, just upscaling thru hdlink isn't even close. Also upgraded video driver to most recent. and decrease ram purge to 5 frames instead of 20 whatever that does? guess I'll just have to piece meal it.

October 19th, 2008, 12:29 PM	#8
Matti Wallden Tourist Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 3	Update In my case there are two ways to deal this: 1) If you have enough free space on your computer export it from AE as uncompressed AVI and import this to Premiere project and then export it as Cineform AVI. 2) Try to export as smaller pieces. In my case crashing is random so smaller clips are more often succesfully exported from AE. My support ticket is still open and support is trying to reproduce problem so there is some hope left. Matti