CineForm and Sony XDCAM EX

David Newman · December 19th, 2007, 11:14 AM

Level shifts are an NVidia issue. Some cards will work in RGB mode and don't habe the level shift. Try this by turing off the "Force YUV" option in playback options.

John Hewat · December 21st, 2007, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

Level shifts are an NVidia issue. Some cards will work in RGB mode and don't habe the level shift. Try this by turing off the "Force YUV" option in playback options.

Tried this and got a jarbled mess of lines and colours instead, so I definitely need to have "Force YUV" enabled.

You say it's an NVidia issue? Does that mean that if I got ATI cards that it wouldn't happen?

Stephen Armour · December 21st, 2007, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Hewat

Tried this and got a jarbled mess of lines and colours instead, so I definitely need to have "Force YUV" enabled.

You say it's an NVidia issue? Does that mean that if I got ATI cards that it wouldn't happen?

It's doing exactly the same thing with our Matrox Parhelia APVe, so it's not just NVidia...

David Newman · December 21st, 2007, 10:11 AM

Using RGB for output does fix the level shift on some NVidia cards, but unfortunately some NVidia card don't support RGB overlays either -- there is a theme that NVidia has not got video overlay working correctly, even pulled support totally from the 8800 series.

The Matrox Parahelia also worked best in YUV, so no loss there.

Christopher Glaeser · December 21st, 2007, 09:55 PM

Is it possible to export back the EX1 codec?

Best,
Christopher

David Taylor · December 21st, 2007, 10:32 PM

You can export to HDV, but not to the the MP4-wrapped MPEG2 which is the EX format. I can't think of any good reasons to go back to that format anyway.

Christopher Glaeser · December 21st, 2007, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Taylor

You can export to HDV, but not to the the MP4-wrapped MPEG2 which is the EX format. I can't think of any good reasons to go back to that format anyway.

Someone asked on an Adobe forum so I thought I would ask here. I don't think they are really serious about getting an EX1, so it's not important, I was just curious.

Best,
Christopher

Stephen Armour · December 22nd, 2007, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike McCarthy

IF the EX1 was outputing true 10bit via SDI, and you captured LIVE via SDI through BMD or AJA, THEN you should have true 10bit color. I doubt the EX1 has true ten bit color at all, but it is possible, and would be a very nice feature, if someone could confirm that.

No answer on this yet? Sure would be nice to know.

That would definely be a very BIG point in the EX1's favor if it did! If not, it just seems like a "nicer lense and control V1"......for more twice as much $$.

Might get more attention if it did.

Christopher Glaeser · December 29th, 2007, 02:29 AM

Does Aspect HD reduce the resolution of the EX1 codec? Do you need Prospect HD to get the full resolution of the EX1 codec?

Best,
Christopher

David Newman · December 29th, 2007, 10:02 AM

Aspect HD is a 1440x1080 HDV product. Sony EX1 is not an HDV product at 1920x1080, so yes Prospect HD is more suitable. Also Prospect HD will support HDSDI capture directly from the EX1 if you add an AJA Xena card, great for 4:2:2 greenscreen work. However you can use Aspect HD, but it will downsample to fit the 1440 license.

James Huenergardt · January 2nd, 2008, 08:46 PM

Hi,

My EX1 just arrived today and I'm giving my Prospect HD Link 3.2.2 (just downloaded it) a go at the native .mp4 files I copied over.

When I bring the converted AVI into After Effects, it shows up as 960 x 540 (PAR 1.0) while the native .mp4 shows up as 1920 x 1080 (PAR 1.0)

In the HD Link prefs, I've selected:

Automatic (capture options)
AVI
Film Scan
Automatic (frame format)
Rate (no change)
Resize Video (none)

It also down-sized my 720 footage too.

What's really odd is that I tried specifying Resize to 1920 x 1080 (just to see) and it still converted it to 960 x 540.

Any ideas?

David Newman · January 2nd, 2008, 09:20 PM

Wow. Samples please (mp4 and AVI.)

James Huenergardt · January 2nd, 2008, 09:42 PM

I'll add links to the clips on my support ticket.

Johnnie Behiri · January 21st, 2008, 03:51 PM

Hi David,
Need your urgent help.
HDlink would not convert my EX1 files.

Attached is a screen shot of the log file.

Software used-Prospect HD, latest version.

Thanks!

Johnnie

David Newman · January 21st, 2008, 06:22 PM

Only need to log window, you scaled the whole screen to the point I can't read the log window. To capture just log, select the window, and press ALT+PrintScreen, then paste the image in IrfanView or any other imaging tool.

Likely you don;t have something install. Recapture the log window and send it to support -- trouble tickets go to www.cineform.com/support

December 19th, 2007, 11:14 AM	#121
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Level shifts are an NVidia issue. Some cards will work in RGB mode and don't habe the level shift. Try this by turing off the "Force YUV" option in playback options. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

December 21st, 2007, 10:11 AM	#124
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Using RGB for output does fix the level shift on some NVidia cards, but unfortunately some NVidia card don't support RGB overlays either -- there is a theme that NVidia has not got video overlay working correctly, even pulled support totally from the 8800 series. The Matrox Parahelia also worked best in YUV, so no loss there. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

December 29th, 2007, 10:02 AM	#130
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Aspect HD is a 1440x1080 HDV product. Sony EX1 is not an HDV product at 1920x1080, so yes Prospect HD is more suitable. Also Prospect HD will support HDSDI capture directly from the EX1 if you add an AJA Xena card, great for 4:2:2 greenscreen work. However you can use Aspect HD, but it will downsample to fit the 1440 license. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

January 2nd, 2008, 08:46 PM	#131
James Huenergardt Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chehalis, WA Posts: 513	EX1 .mp4 - HD Link downsizing my clips Hi, My EX1 just arrived today and I'm giving my Prospect HD Link 3.2.2 (just downloaded it) a go at the native .mp4 files I copied over. When I bring the converted AVI into After Effects, it shows up as 960 x 540 (PAR 1.0) while the native .mp4 shows up as 1920 x 1080 (PAR 1.0) In the HD Link prefs, I've selected: Automatic (capture options) AVI Film Scan Automatic (frame format) Rate (no change) Resize Video (none) It also down-sized my 720 footage too. What's really odd is that I tried specifying Resize to 1920 x 1080 (just to see) and it still converted it to 960 x 540. Any ideas?

January 2nd, 2008, 09:20 PM	#132
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Wow. Samples please (mp4 and AVI.) __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

December 21st, 2007, 09:55 PM	#125
Christopher Glaeser Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Pleasanton, CA Posts: 258	Is it possible to export back the EX1 codec? Best, Christopher

December 21st, 2007, 10:32 PM	#126
David Taylor Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Solana Beach, CA Posts: 853	You can export to HDV, but not to the the MP4-wrapped MPEG2 which is the EX format. I can't think of any good reasons to go back to that format anyway.

December 29th, 2007, 02:29 AM	#129
Christopher Glaeser Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Pleasanton, CA Posts: 258	Does Aspect HD reduce the resolution of the EX1 codec? Do you need Prospect HD to get the full resolution of the EX1 codec? Best, Christopher

January 2nd, 2008, 09:42 PM	#133
James Huenergardt Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chehalis, WA Posts: 513	I'll add links to the clips on my support ticket.

January 21st, 2008, 03:51 PM	#134
Johnnie Behiri Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vienna/Austria Posts: 187	HDlink, error messages when converting EX1 files Hi David, Need your urgent help. HDlink would not convert my EX1 files. Attached is a screen shot of the log file. Software used-Prospect HD, latest version. Thanks! Johnnie Attached Thumbnails

January 21st, 2008, 06:22 PM	#135
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Only need to log window, you scaled the whole screen to the point I can't read the log window. To capture just log, select the window, and press ALT+PrintScreen, then paste the image in IrfanView or any other imaging tool. Likely you don;t have something install. Recapture the log window and send it to support -- trouble tickets go to www.cineform.com/support __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman