CineForm and Sony XDCAM EX

David Newman · February 10th, 2008, 04:59 PM

Please go through support, only they can get the information to determine what the issue is. There never a reason for CineForm functionality to reinstall your OS, everything else much be failing before taking that step. If there is an issue with > 2GB MXF files, maybe you could send us one. Unfortunately Sony only sent us data files, not the camera, so we can't test very large MPEG media from the EX1. We maybe get fewer reports as from the indie film guys (most of our customers) as 2GB is a long take. So while I have heardn't of this one, it could be a real bug. With sample data we should be able to fix it.

Michael Stewart · February 10th, 2008, 05:43 PM

Thanks David, I did report to Cineform support earlier, I post in hopes of others trying it out to help verify problems, if I send a ticket to cineform, it bipasses others here who can check also. I would be glad to send one, how can I get it to you?

Mike

Marty Hudzik · March 2nd, 2008, 07:20 AM

what exactly is needed to use cineform with the ex1? I own aspect hd and I am wondering what limitations I would have with it? Is prospect absolutely necessary? What is thecworkflow currently like? If I move to a tapeless workflow it sure would be nice to not have to do a ton converting that would negate some of the timesaving features that tapeless normally provides.

Thanks

Chris Hurd · March 2nd, 2008, 10:25 AM

Frequently asked (please search first before posting new topics). Have now merged about a dozen CineForm / Sony EX1 threads into one single large discussion. Hope this helps,

Michael H. Stevens · March 2nd, 2008, 12:27 PM

Hi Guys:

Just to say file size does not seem to be the issue as my problems are with clips no longer than 12 seconds. The big problem with this issue is it is very random in how the thing goes wrong. Sometimes Vegas will stop working just by adding some files to the timeline, but sometimes it does not stop working until you play the files. I note the cinform converted files DO PLAY well in a media player. Only in Vegas is there a problem so some inconpatability there.

Marty Hudzik · March 2nd, 2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

Frequently asked (please search first before posting new topics).

Sorry Chris! I usually do a good job on finding this stuff. I was away from my PC and browsing on my iphone......didn't think to search deeper. I had just been reading all the threads and hadn't gone that far back. This thread has helped immensely.

Thanks.

David Newman · March 2nd, 2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael H. Stevens

Hi Guys:

Just to say file size does not seem to be the issue as my problems are with clips no longer than 12 seconds. The big problem with this issue is it is very random in how the thing goes wrong. Sometimes Vegas will stop working just by adding some files to the timeline, but sometimes it does not stop working until you play the files. I note the cinform converted files DO PLAY well in a media player. Only in Vegas is there a problem so some inconpatability there.

This not a EX issue, it is a Vegas. Vegas 8 (likely) some install old CineForm components are using them in favor of the new ones installed with NEO or Aspect/Prospect. There are many post on the easy fix. Basically delete or rename the Program Files/Sony/Vegas 8.0/CFHD.dll file -- it is old and unnecesary if you have a new CineForm license.

Michael H. Stevens · March 4th, 2008, 02:57 PM

David: Support thinks 157 resolves this issue. I will inform them it does not. This may be a clue. I put my mxf files on the Veags timeline and used the Cineform 3.2 codex to render them to a new track as this was a work-around Serena has used, but for me that stopped Vegas working also. Any other work-arouns to try? I'm really dead in the water here.

David Newman · March 4th, 2008, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael H. Stevens

David: Support thinks 157 resolves this issue. I will inform them it does not. This may be a clue. I put my mxf files on the Veags timeline and used the Cineform 3.2 codex to render them to a new track as this was a work-around Serena has used, but for me that stopped Vegas working also. Any other work-arouns to try? I'm really dead in the water here.

3.2 is not the current codec. You don't seem to have got 157 installed correctly, which would explain you not seeing what support is reporting. Build 157 has VfW codec video V3.6.1.

Michael H. Stevens · March 5th, 2008, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by David Newman

3.2 is not the current codec. You don't seem to have got 157 installed correctly, which would explain you not seeing what support is reporting. Build 157 has VfW codec video V3.6.1.

David: v3.6.1 IS what I have. I quoted wrong, but this is what I have and still no conversioons work. I'll wait for 158 before I post to support again.

Mike

David Newman · March 5th, 2008, 06:18 PM

It doesn't seem related to the build, Build 158 don't impact anything related to your experience, as it is all working here. Sounds more like an system or Vegas issue. As you have mentioned clips over 12-second fail for you, however our decoder has do concept of time, you (the NLE) gives a compressed frame, we get back an uncompressed one. So any file length issue is more likely an issue with the calling application, particularly if the same files work elsewhere, MediaPlayer, VirtualDub, AE, etc.

P.S. Try put your media a different drive under a different controller, even try the system drive. Just in case. More than once weird stuff like this has been due to a flaky RAID controller.

Michael H. Stevens · March 5th, 2008, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

It doesn't seem related to the build, Build 158 don't impact anything related to your experience, as it is all working here. Sounds more like an system or Vegas issue. As you have mentioned clips over 12-second fail for you, however our decoder has do concept of time, you (the NLE) gives a compressed frame, we get back an uncompressed one. So any file length issue is more likely an issue with the calling application, particularly if the same files work elsewhere, MediaPlayer, VirtualDub, AE, etc.

P.S. Try put your media a different drive under a different controller, even try the system drive. Just in case. More than once weird stuff like this has been due to a flaky RAID controller.

On my edit machine now I only have one drive. Maybe I should partition it? ALSO I did NOT say long clips were prone to the error. I said it was random. Putting the clips on the time-line one at a time causes Vegas to stop at different places each time. My symptoms are the same as Bill's and Serena's but for them the work-around seems to work.

Anmol Mishra · March 28th, 2008, 09:40 AM

Maybe this is a bit offtopic. Does Cineform allow capture via the EX1 HD-SDI port and Blackmagic Decklink card ?

I want to see if we can use Neo 4K to record the 4:4:4 signal from the HD-SDI port..

David Newman · March 28th, 2008, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anmol Mishra

Maybe this is a bit offtopic. Does Cineform allow capture via the EX1 HD-SDI port and Blackmagic Decklink card ?

I want to see if we can use Neo 4K to record the 4:4:4 signal from the HD-SDI port..

Yes, HDLink support HDSDI capture through Decklink cards. HDSDI is only 4:2:2, dual link can be 4:4:4.

Anmol Mishra · March 28th, 2008, 06:12 PM

Cool. So its a choice of Prospect2K or NeoHD. Is that right ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

Yes, HDLink support HDSDI capture through Decklink cards. HDSDI is only 4:2:2, dual link can be 4:4:4.

February 10th, 2008, 04:59 PM	#166
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Please go through support, only they can get the information to determine what the issue is. There never a reason for CineForm functionality to reinstall your OS, everything else much be failing before taking that step. If there is an issue with > 2GB MXF files, maybe you could send us one. Unfortunately Sony only sent us data files, not the camera, so we can't test very large MPEG media from the EX1. We maybe get fewer reports as from the indie film guys (most of our customers) as 2GB is a long take. So while I have heardn't of this one, it could be a real bug. With sample data we should be able to fix it. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 2nd, 2008, 07:20 AM	#168
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	Sony ex1 support questions what exactly is needed to use cineform with the ex1? I own aspect hd and I am wondering what limitations I would have with it? Is prospect absolutely necessary? What is thecworkflow currently like? If I move to a tapeless workflow it sure would be nice to not have to do a ton converting that would negate some of the timesaving features that tapeless normally provides. Thanks

March 2nd, 2008, 10:25 AM	#169
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Frequently asked (please search first before posting new topics). Have now merged about a dozen CineForm / Sony EX1 threads into one single large discussion. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 5th, 2008, 06:18 PM	#176
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	It doesn't seem related to the build, Build 158 don't impact anything related to your experience, as it is all working here. Sounds more like an system or Vegas issue. As you have mentioned clips over 12-second fail for you, however our decoder has do concept of time, you (the NLE) gives a compressed frame, we get back an uncompressed one. So any file length issue is more likely an issue with the calling application, particularly if the same files work elsewhere, MediaPlayer, VirtualDub, AE, etc. P.S. Try put your media a different drive under a different controller, even try the system drive. Just in case. More than once weird stuff like this has been due to a flaky RAID controller. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 28th, 2008, 09:40 AM	#178
Anmol Mishra Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 401	Cineform + EX1 + Blackmagic Decklink capture Maybe this is a bit offtopic. Does Cineform allow capture via the EX1 HD-SDI port and Blackmagic Decklink card ? I want to see if we can use Neo 4K to record the 4:4:4 signal from the HD-SDI port..

February 10th, 2008, 05:43 PM	#167
Michael Stewart Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane, Wa. Posts: 445	Thanks David, I did report to Cineform support earlier, I post in hopes of others trying it out to help verify problems, if I send a ticket to cineform, it bipasses others here who can check also. I would be glad to send one, how can I get it to you? Mike

March 2nd, 2008, 12:27 PM	#170
Michael H. Stevens Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Palm Desert, California Posts: 311	Hi Guys: Just to say file size does not seem to be the issue as my problems are with clips no longer than 12 seconds. The big problem with this issue is it is very random in how the thing goes wrong. Sometimes Vegas will stop working just by adding some files to the timeline, but sometimes it does not stop working until you play the files. I note the cinform converted files DO PLAY well in a media player. Only in Vegas is there a problem so some inconpatability there.

March 4th, 2008, 02:57 PM	#173
Michael H. Stevens Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Palm Desert, California Posts: 311	David: Support thinks 157 resolves this issue. I will inform them it does not. This may be a clue. I put my mxf files on the Veags timeline and used the Cineform 3.2 codex to render them to a new track as this was a work-around Serena has used, but for me that stopped Vegas working also. Any other work-arouns to try? I'm really dead in the water here.