Going Back to XP (for now) at DVinfo.net

Michael DAmbrose · January 14th, 2008, 05:48 PM

When I upgraded to Vista, I replaced the C-drive first so that I would have a fallback. That was 8 months ago.

Now I an getting more into my hobby with my HV20 and I just can't use Cineform on Vista. Between the flaky HDLink and the stuttering play back using the only viewer that even works (Media Player Classic), I just have to revert. Actually, Cineform is the only program in my suite which isn't Vista compatible.

It is a chore to do this with the various de-activations, but so be it.

David, I would love to continue the move tonight, Is the De-activate, re-activate process working in the evenings? Or is that a regular business hours thing? I sent it in just 30 minutes ago.

Mike

David Taylor · January 14th, 2008, 07:34 PM

It's automated so should be up all the time except when we have an occasional Internet glitch. If you've submitted, hopefully you've been successful.

Michael DAmbrose · January 14th, 2008, 09:12 PM

Yes, all set.. emails came within the hour.

Mike

John Miller · January 14th, 2008, 09:21 PM

Sometimes (not always), audio applications perform poorly on Vista. From what I have been able to deduce, it is audio chipset dependent.

Basically, up to XP, audio is accelerated with DirectSound. This is deprecated in Vista and DirectSound is emulated with software. This hurts legacy media players. Videos end up choppy while the media player tries to keep the audio going properly.

There is a test you can run to see if it is this problem: disable the soundcard in Control Panel. If video playback is now correct, you know it's the problem.

Sadly, there isn't much you can do unless you use software that is Vista aware and chooses non-DirectSound drivers for audio (or lets you choose). (The hardware is okay - it's the drivers).

Michael DAmbrose · January 14th, 2008, 10:14 PM

Thank you John -- Well it is sort of fun to be back in XP -- still have a few applications to move over, but it is nice to see the videos playing better.

Anyway, that is something to keep in mind. I wish, however, Cineform would embrace Vista more than it does. Vista really is more eye-candy and I had all of that turned off to try to solve the playback problem.

My computer is a dual core 3.2 GHz Pentium. I have 4 gigs of RAM purchased for Vista (not all is addressable, I know -- he maybe now that I am on XP I need that Ram switch I read about). My video card is a dual head GeForce 7600GT.

I intend to replace one monitor with a 24" Samsung 245T so I wanted the video to be smooth before that purchase.

Well this a how I spend my free time... If I did it for a living, I wouldn't have the time for all these experiments.

Mike

David Moody · January 14th, 2008, 10:15 PM

I have heard so many problems with Vista, I have decided to stick with XP. I learned my lesson with Windows Me.

I see Dell still offers XP as an option, a year after Vista is out.

Cineform is not the only one with Vista issues.

The medical software I use is not currently supported by Vista either.

Ron Little · January 15th, 2008, 10:30 AM

I had a new editing machine built a few months back.. I have always tried to build a machine that was ungradable.

Out of the four editing machines I have had built that approach has never worked. By the time I got ready to upgrade the technology had changed.

This time I decided to build the fastest machine they could build with everything in it I wanted not putting anything off for upgrade.

I told the builder to put the latest operating system on it. He refused to put vista on an editing machine. He said to give it a year. It is starting to look like a year is not going to do it.

Serge Victorovich · January 15th, 2008, 01:39 PM

Vista is P0S...After 3 months on my laptop i've finally have all drivers for XP and can install XP SP2.
"Kill Bill" movie about vista and Bill Gates, right? :)

Dave Campbell · January 15th, 2008, 02:30 PM

After a LONG time on Vista, I dumped it and went back to XP X64.
Best thing I have ever done.

Dave

Stephen Armour · January 15th, 2008, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Campbell

After a LONG time on Vista, I dumped it and went back to XP X64.
Best thing I have ever done.

Dave

We loaded x64 on a new editing machine, but are still having some odd probs, even with all updated Gigabyte/nVidia/Cineform/MS drivers. All in all, it's a toss up between XP Pro 32-bit and x64 now. We've got them both running on different machines and both have advantages and disadvantages, but both are superior to Vista for stability and overall performance.

Somehow, I've seen this whole story before with MS. They'll flail Vista for a while longer, try to eke out some more R&D money from it, then dump it for Win 7 that's in development! Same ole story for the last 25 yrs.

Now if they can actually get some improvements out with this next SP3 for XP (without losing ground), we'll get down the road a bit longer before suffering again with a whole new "better thing" that comes out...

Dave Morgan · January 15th, 2008, 11:40 PM

ive gone back to xp like 12 times. each time hoping that when i tried vista it would be amazing.

i started reading about vista when i was introduced as longhorn. huge disappointment .

Pat Reddy · January 16th, 2008, 07:57 AM

I bought two Vista machines last summer and took both of them back. I ended up building my own dual core and intsalling XP. It's nice having everything working.

Pat

January 14th, 2008, 05:48 PM	#1
Michael DAmbrose Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Middletown, CT Posts: 49	Going Back to XP (for now) When I upgraded to Vista, I replaced the C-drive first so that I would have a fallback. That was 8 months ago. Now I an getting more into my hobby with my HV20 and I just can't use Cineform on Vista. Between the flaky HDLink and the stuttering play back using the only viewer that even works (Media Player Classic), I just have to revert. Actually, Cineform is the only program in my suite which isn't Vista compatible. It is a chore to do this with the various de-activations, but so be it. David, I would love to continue the move tonight, Is the De-activate, re-activate process working in the evenings? Or is that a regular business hours thing? I sent it in just 30 minutes ago. Mike

January 14th, 2008, 07:34 PM	#2
David Taylor Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Solana Beach, CA Posts: 853	It's automated so should be up all the time except when we have an occasional Internet glitch. If you've submitted, hopefully you've been successful.

January 14th, 2008, 09:12 PM	#3
Michael DAmbrose Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Middletown, CT Posts: 49	Yes, all set.. emails came within the hour. Mike

January 14th, 2008, 09:21 PM	#4
John Miller Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hillsborough, NC, USA Posts: 968	Sometimes (not always), audio applications perform poorly on Vista. From what I have been able to deduce, it is audio chipset dependent. Basically, up to XP, audio is accelerated with DirectSound. This is deprecated in Vista and DirectSound is emulated with software. This hurts legacy media players. Videos end up choppy while the media player tries to keep the audio going properly. There is a test you can run to see if it is this problem: disable the soundcard in Control Panel. If video playback is now correct, you know it's the problem. Sadly, there isn't much you can do unless you use software that is Vista aware and chooses non-DirectSound drivers for audio (or lets you choose). (The hardware is okay - it's the drivers).

January 14th, 2008, 10:14 PM	#5
Michael DAmbrose Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Middletown, CT Posts: 49	Thank you John -- Well it is sort of fun to be back in XP -- still have a few applications to move over, but it is nice to see the videos playing better. Anyway, that is something to keep in mind. I wish, however, Cineform would embrace Vista more than it does. Vista really is more eye-candy and I had all of that turned off to try to solve the playback problem. My computer is a dual core 3.2 GHz Pentium. I have 4 gigs of RAM purchased for Vista (not all is addressable, I know -- he maybe now that I am on XP I need that Ram switch I read about). My video card is a dual head GeForce 7600GT. I intend to replace one monitor with a 24" Samsung 245T so I wanted the video to be smooth before that purchase. Well this a how I spend my free time... If I did it for a living, I wouldn't have the time for all these experiments. Mike

January 14th, 2008, 10:15 PM	#6
David Moody Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 86	I have heard so many problems with Vista, I have decided to stick with XP. I learned my lesson with Windows Me. I see Dell still offers XP as an option, a year after Vista is out. Cineform is not the only one with Vista issues. The medical software I use is not currently supported by Vista either.

January 15th, 2008, 10:30 AM	#7
Ron Little Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pensacola Fl. Posts: 627	I had a new editing machine built a few months back.. I have always tried to build a machine that was ungradable. Out of the four editing machines I have had built that approach has never worked. By the time I got ready to upgrade the technology had changed. This time I decided to build the fastest machine they could build with everything in it I wanted not putting anything off for upgrade. I told the builder to put the latest operating system on it. He refused to put vista on an editing machine. He said to give it a year. It is starting to look like a year is not going to do it.

January 15th, 2008, 01:39 PM	#8
Serge Victorovich Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 376	Vista is P0S...After 3 months on my laptop i've finally have all drivers for XP and can install XP SP2. "Kill Bill" movie about vista and Bill Gates, right? :)

January 15th, 2008, 02:30 PM	#9
Dave Campbell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 568	After a LONG time on Vista, I dumped it and went back to XP X64. Best thing I have ever done. Dave

January 15th, 2008, 11:40 PM	#11
Dave Morgan Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 293	ive gone back to xp like 12 times. each time hoping that when i tried vista it would be amazing. i started reading about vista when i was introduced as longhorn. huge disappointment .

January 16th, 2008, 07:57 AM	#12
Pat Reddy Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 288	I bought two Vista machines last summer and took both of them back. I ended up building my own dual core and intsalling XP. It's nice having everything working. Pat