Playback via Intensity HDMI Out at DVinfo.net

Alex Raskin · November 15th, 2007, 01:46 PM

Cineform states that at present, it does not support Intensity card to play out the captured videos.

How to do it then? I tried dropping Cineform Aspect HD file into a PremierePro's timeline, and also nothing. (PPRo actually does output via Intensity 's HDMI if the project it set to Blackmagic preset. But then the timeline playback of the Aspect video cannot be done - the video just stops almost immediately, probably requires rendering. Scrubbing through the timeline does output the video.)

I need to monitor the videos captured, and the PC's screen is only 7" so it's impossible to see anything.

However the HDMI-enabled field monitor is 23" and it accepts HD signal just fine.

I use that monitor to view the signal during recording.

How do I use it to view the playback off of the PC?

David Newman · November 15th, 2007, 01:58 PM

It is on the short term work list to address this. All I can say at the moment.

Anton Galimzyanov · November 15th, 2007, 08:31 PM

one more question, does Intensity card support a live monitoring thru hdmi out, when doing a capture from hdmi devices (V1, HV20) into Cineform codec?

Alex Raskin · November 15th, 2007, 08:42 PM

Anton, yes - Intensity has HDMI through to the monitor while recording.

Anton Galimzyanov · November 15th, 2007, 10:12 PM

Great!! Alex, did you notice any visible delay (when capturing into CF format)?

Alex Raskin · November 16th, 2007, 06:24 AM

No delay - seems to be real time or close enough.

I know what you are referring to... with firewire, there's that annoying delay of about 1/2sec. depending on how long the GOP group is in the signal... no such thing with HDMI - remember, there's no compression, the signal is live and no decompression delays occur.

Alex Raskin · November 16th, 2007, 06:26 AM

Anton, BTW - how's Cineform doing in Russia? Just curious. What cameras do you use?

Anton Galimzyanov · November 18th, 2007, 01:14 AM

Alex, I use HV20 with SGPro. HV20 lacks some manual settings and not so easy-to-use, but Sony V1 seemed to produce too much CA (even FX1 worked better). A little HV is a work of art, and HDMI out provides even more crispness & sharpness.

Yes, cineform is a great codec. I know at least two guys who bought SI cameras with cineform RAW inside, they just fell in love with them! )

Henry Olonga · November 21st, 2007, 05:56 AM

Alex...Good news perhaps

I asked BM this question a while back - Intensity support in Vegas Pro 8.Likely,unlikely or never?

The answer from Blackmagic

The good news is that the Vegas Pro 8 Beta version of our drivers are available for download from our website. Here is the link... http://www.blackmagic-design.com/support/software/

I have installed the drivers and you can view cineform captured files using Blackmagic media express.It is not consistently reliable on some files but it works and doesn't open up a separate directshow window like before.The drivers have also been updated for Vegas 8 pro support (Not sure about Premiere pro) and support previewing the timeline via the HDMI output ,although it can be choppy at times.I believe this is a known issue and will be addressed in a future update.The update which of course is a beta does some wierd things with the audio but it addresses a few nice improvements and I am sure the bugs will be ironed out soon.

Alex Raskin · November 21st, 2007, 06:54 AM

Henry, thanks.

Interestingly, I can't get the Intensity card to work with the 1.8.1 drivers (most updated as per a week ago.)

BM rep advised downgrading the drivers, so i ended up with 1.2 BM Intensity Driver version which finally works.

I do not know if 1.8.2 version will work, most likely not...

Richard Leadbetter · November 21st, 2007, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Raskin

Anton, yes - Intensity has HDMI through to the monitor while recording.

This is actually a lot cooler than most people realise. Well, for Intensity Pro any way.

You can ingest HDMI, but the video passthrough output can be set to either HDMI or component. I'm sure it's the same with ingesting component and outputting HDMI too. Very useful indeed depending on the type of secondary monitor you may - or may not - have handy.

The output of the passthrough is indeed realtime with no lag.

Tim Bucklin · November 21st, 2007, 01:30 PM

Some testing has shown that you can output some CineForm files using Blackmagic's Media Express. However, the performance is very poor and only some files work.

The Blackmagic Video output filter is very sensitive to framerates and resolutions. The files must be 1920x1080 29.97i or 1280x720 60p. This means that if you've used our pulldown removal to get 24p, you can't output these clips. Or, if you have 720p 30 clips from other sources, you can't output these either. For Aspect users creating 1440x1080 clips, these are also incompatible with Media Express.

I'm working on our own solution for output in Premiere. Once that's complete, I'll look into modifying HD Link's "Export" function to act like a playlist with the Intensity card. There is no ETA on these features yet, but I wanted to let you all know that they ARE in development!

Alex Raskin · November 21st, 2007, 01:37 PM

Tim, thanks for the update.

I do use 24p framerate, so I'll need the "normal" solution from Cineform, not BM workaround...

...the sooner, the better :)

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

Anton Galimzyanov · November 22nd, 2007, 10:39 AM

offtopic,

Owners of Intensity Pro, do you have a possibility to use S-Video and RCA composite Out (or component only) while capturing from HDMI? I'm asking because I have only a non-Pro version of BM, as for me analog SD video would be a welcome add-on. BM site says it's possible, but a photo of breakout cable can't explain how to.

thanks

Chris Swartz · November 27th, 2007, 09:15 PM

How about this.

http://www.svideo.com/appletv2tv.html

Component to S-Video is really tricky, this is the only thing I've ever seen that does this.

Chris

November 15th, 2007, 01:46 PM	#1
Alex Raskin Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,435	Playback via Intensity HDMI Out Cineform states that at present, it does not support Intensity card to play out the captured videos. How to do it then? I tried dropping Cineform Aspect HD file into a PremierePro's timeline, and also nothing. (PPRo actually does output via Intensity 's HDMI if the project it set to Blackmagic preset. But then the timeline playback of the Aspect video cannot be done - the video just stops almost immediately, probably requires rendering. Scrubbing through the timeline does output the video.) I need to monitor the videos captured, and the PC's screen is only 7" so it's impossible to see anything. However the HDMI-enabled field monitor is 23" and it accepts HD signal just fine. I use that monitor to view the signal during recording. How do I use it to view the playback off of the PC?

November 15th, 2007, 01:58 PM	#2
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	It is on the short term work list to address this. All I can say at the moment. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

November 21st, 2007, 05:56 AM	#9
Henry Olonga Major Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: London Posts: 201	Playback via intensity Vegas 8 pro update - thank you BM Alex...Good news perhaps I asked BM this question a while back - Intensity support in Vegas Pro 8.Likely,unlikely or never? The answer from Blackmagic The good news is that the Vegas Pro 8 Beta version of our drivers are available for download from our website. Here is the link... http://www.blackmagic-design.com/support/software/ I have installed the drivers and you can view cineform captured files using Blackmagic media express.It is not consistently reliable on some files but it works and doesn't open up a separate directshow window like before.The drivers have also been updated for Vegas 8 pro support (Not sure about Premiere pro) and support previewing the timeline via the HDMI output ,although it can be choppy at times.I believe this is a known issue and will be addressed in a future update.The update which of course is a beta does some wierd things with the audio but it addresses a few nice improvements and I am sure the bugs will be ironed out soon.

November 21st, 2007, 01:30 PM	#12
Tim Bucklin Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Solana Beach, CA Posts: 112	Some testing has shown that you can output some CineForm files using Blackmagic's Media Express. However, the performance is very poor and only some files work. The Blackmagic Video output filter is very sensitive to framerates and resolutions. The files must be 1920x1080 29.97i or 1280x720 60p. This means that if you've used our pulldown removal to get 24p, you can't output these clips. Or, if you have 720p 30 clips from other sources, you can't output these either. For Aspect users creating 1440x1080 clips, these are also incompatible with Media Express. I'm working on our own solution for output in Premiere. Once that's complete, I'll look into modifying HD Link's "Export" function to act like a playlist with the Intensity card. There is no ETA on these features yet, but I wanted to let you all know that they ARE in development! __________________ Tim Bucklin CineForm Software Engineer

November 15th, 2007, 08:31 PM	#3
Anton Galimzyanov Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 53	one more question, does Intensity card support a live monitoring thru hdmi out, when doing a capture from hdmi devices (V1, HV20) into Cineform codec?

November 15th, 2007, 08:42 PM	#4
Alex Raskin Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,435	Anton, yes - Intensity has HDMI through to the monitor while recording.

November 15th, 2007, 10:12 PM	#5
Anton Galimzyanov Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 53	Great!! Alex, did you notice any visible delay (when capturing into CF format)?

November 16th, 2007, 06:24 AM	#6
Alex Raskin Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,435	No delay - seems to be real time or close enough. I know what you are referring to... with firewire, there's that annoying delay of about 1/2sec. depending on how long the GOP group is in the signal... no such thing with HDMI - remember, there's no compression, the signal is live and no decompression delays occur.

November 16th, 2007, 06:26 AM	#7
Alex Raskin Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,435	Anton, BTW - how's Cineform doing in Russia? Just curious. What cameras do you use?

November 18th, 2007, 01:14 AM	#8
Anton Galimzyanov Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 53	Alex, I use HV20 with SGPro. HV20 lacks some manual settings and not so easy-to-use, but Sony V1 seemed to produce too much CA (even FX1 worked better). A little HV is a work of art, and HDMI out provides even more crispness & sharpness. Yes, cineform is a great codec. I know at least two guys who bought SI cameras with cineform RAW inside, they just fell in love with them! )

November 21st, 2007, 06:54 AM	#10
Alex Raskin Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,435	Henry, thanks. Interestingly, I can't get the Intensity card to work with the 1.8.1 drivers (most updated as per a week ago.) BM rep advised downgrading the drivers, so i ended up with 1.2 BM Intensity Driver version which finally works. I do not know if 1.8.2 version will work, most likely not...

November 21st, 2007, 01:37 PM	#13
Alex Raskin Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,435	Tim, thanks for the update. I do use 24p framerate, so I'll need the "normal" solution from Cineform, not BM workaround... ...the sooner, the better :) Happy Thanksgiving to all!

November 22nd, 2007, 10:39 AM	#14
Anton Galimzyanov Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 53	offtopic, Owners of Intensity Pro, do you have a possibility to use S-Video and RCA composite Out (or component only) while capturing from HDMI? I'm asking because I have only a non-Pro version of BM, as for me analog SD video would be a welcome add-on. BM site says it's possible, but a photo of breakout cable can't explain how to. thanks

November 27th, 2007, 09:15 PM	#15
Chris Swartz Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 58	How about this. http://www.svideo.com/appletv2tv.html Component to S-Video is really tricky, this is the only thing I've ever seen that does this. Chris