CineForm and Sony Vegas 8

Hugh Mobley · September 21st, 2007, 01:32 PM

It could be my particular computer,but it shouldn't be, the one in question is a laptop, 3.2 gig 1 gig of ram 300 gig ext HD. absolutely no issues with V7 but V8 is a real problem when using cineform NEO HDV, Fresh clean xp install, etc, Off ice computer is a desktop, seems to have issues, yet! I really think its V8 and some quirky issues. Of course I never hear back from Sony,

Hugh Mobley · September 21st, 2007, 02:40 PM

David: RE:
Yes CineForm components are working fine in Vegas 8. Re-install your CineForm product as it sounds like you simply missing the CineForm VFW codec.
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David Newman
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blog: cineform.blogspot.com

If all software is up to date could I be missing thid codec, I have nothing but problems with V8/cineform NEO HDV

David Newman · September 21st, 2007, 02:45 PM

You seem to be the only one now that the Vegas 8 issue has settled. Your errors sound more like Vegas issues, as we have nothing to do with .veg files. In a new project load CineForm AVIs, verify that the codec version is 3.3, not 2.8 within Vegas itself. See if you get the crash with the new project.

Hugh Mobley · September 21st, 2007, 07:30 PM

Please Give me the steps to verify, and I definitely agree its a vegas 8 issue, 7 was no problem, ano my issue on this computer is still a problem, cannot save cineform avi clips, then open again, thats when 8 crashes for me, If I put new cineform clips on the timeline, edit, render, its ok, its when I try to save them as a veg. file, then re-open it crashes. regular m2t file are not a problem, I did try renaming the cfhd.dll file, didn't seem to help, but I do want to verify the cineform codec if you let me know steps

Hugh Mobley · September 21st, 2007, 07:59 PM

I found it, should have know all along. cineform codec is 3.3.0 so thats right, all pointing to a vegas flaw, hope its not one of many like window.

Cary Lee · September 23rd, 2007, 03:25 PM

I have Neo HDV 3.11 with 3.3 Codec..Found out that avi footage goes on the timeline but when I try to use preview in player I get a need to purchase Cineform HD codec warning box. Granted this is the demo version of Vegas 8 since I am still waiting for my box to arrive from sony. Anyone else notice this? In addition..it took me to reload Cineform after vegas install and also downloaded the neoplayer.

Cary Lee · September 28th, 2007, 12:25 AM

Update:

Just upgraded from Neo HDV to NEO HD..Now Preview to player runs fine with this setting. I am also converting my previous HDV footage to HD 1920x1080 and in Vegas 8 it recognizes it without any hiccups.

Peter Plevritis · October 3rd, 2007, 07:27 PM

Hi David,

Did you have the chance to talk to Dave Hill about this timecode issue? Any progress on this?

Pete

James Campbell · October 6th, 2007, 09:38 PM

I've been using Cineform Neo HDV to capture footage from Sony V1U and Canon HV20 directly into Cineform avi's and using them in Vegas. I just started using After Effects; If I wanted to export a clip from Vegas and use in AE, can I export as a Cineform avi format to use in AE? Or, given that I have Neo HDV, would I have to export as an m2t file and then import into After Effects

David Newman · October 7th, 2007, 09:32 AM

NEO gives you direct CineForm AVI support in After Effects.

Mark Duckworth · October 18th, 2007, 02:51 AM

Just updated to 8.0a. Did the same thing as before. Luckily re-naming the Sony's CFHD.DLL trick still works. Just thought you should know David.

David Newman · October 18th, 2007, 10:01 AM

That is little sad, why didn't Sony fix their bug?

Bill Ravens · October 18th, 2007, 11:19 AM

Considering that I, and a few others, made formal inputs to their Tech Support, it would seem they've overlooked this little problem.

Jeff Harper · October 19th, 2007, 12:07 PM

I edit weddings. What is Cineform (Neo) and how might it benefit me? I went to their site, but it is still unclear to me what the product is for.

David Newman · October 19th, 2007, 12:52 PM

As weddings are less about image enhancement, you may not benefit as much from CineForm. The CineForm products are design with a quality bias, for use in effects and color grading; which is why we particular appeal to the filmmaking crowd.

September 21st, 2007, 01:32 PM	#76
Hugh Mobley Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Placentia, Calif Posts: 549	It could be my particular computer,but it shouldn't be, the one in question is a laptop, 3.2 gig 1 gig of ram 300 gig ext HD. absolutely no issues with V7 but V8 is a real problem when using cineform NEO HDV, Fresh clean xp install, etc, Off ice computer is a desktop, seems to have issues, yet! I really think its V8 and some quirky issues. Of course I never hear back from Sony, __________________ Hugh Mobley www.petplanetvideos.com http://exposureroom.com/members/hmobley.aspx/

September 21st, 2007, 02:40 PM	#77
Hugh Mobley Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Placentia, Calif Posts: 549	David: RE: Yes CineForm components are working fine in Vegas 8. Re-install your CineForm product as it sounds like you simply missing the CineForm VFW codec. __________________ David Newman web: www.cineform.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com If all software is up to date could I be missing thid codec, I have nothing but problems with V8/cineform NEO HDV __________________ Hugh Mobley www.petplanetvideos.com http://exposureroom.com/members/hmobley.aspx/

September 21st, 2007, 02:45 PM	#78
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	You seem to be the only one now that the Vegas 8 issue has settled. Your errors sound more like Vegas issues, as we have nothing to do with .veg files. In a new project load CineForm AVIs, verify that the codec version is 3.3, not 2.8 within Vegas itself. See if you get the crash with the new project. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

September 21st, 2007, 07:30 PM	#79
Hugh Mobley Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Placentia, Calif Posts: 549	Please Give me the steps to verify, and I definitely agree its a vegas 8 issue, 7 was no problem, ano my issue on this computer is still a problem, cannot save cineform avi clips, then open again, thats when 8 crashes for me, If I put new cineform clips on the timeline, edit, render, its ok, its when I try to save them as a veg. file, then re-open it crashes. regular m2t file are not a problem, I did try renaming the cfhd.dll file, didn't seem to help, but I do want to verify the cineform codec if you let me know steps __________________ Hugh Mobley www.petplanetvideos.com http://exposureroom.com/members/hmobley.aspx/

September 21st, 2007, 07:59 PM	#80
Hugh Mobley Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Placentia, Calif Posts: 549	I found it, should have know all along. cineform codec is 3.3.0 so thats right, all pointing to a vegas flaw, hope its not one of many like window. __________________ Hugh Mobley www.petplanetvideos.com http://exposureroom.com/members/hmobley.aspx/

September 23rd, 2007, 03:25 PM	#81
Cary Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood USA Posts: 128	I have Neo HDV 3.11 with 3.3 Codec..Found out that avi footage goes on the timeline but when I try to use preview in player I get a need to purchase Cineform HD codec warning box. Granted this is the demo version of Vegas 8 since I am still waiting for my box to arrive from sony. Anyone else notice this? In addition..it took me to reload Cineform after vegas install and also downloaded the neoplayer. __________________ Canon XHA1, SGpro,Flip,FF, RR Mattebox, Nebtek V-R70p-HDA with Canon, Nikkor Primes 24mm f2.8, 28mm f2.8, 35mm f2.0, 50mm f1.4, 85mm f1.4, 105mm f1.8, 135mm f2.0, and 300mm f4.0.

September 28th, 2007, 12:25 AM	#82
Cary Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood USA Posts: 128	Update: Just upgraded from Neo HDV to NEO HD..Now Preview to player runs fine with this setting. I am also converting my previous HDV footage to HD 1920x1080 and in Vegas 8 it recognizes it without any hiccups. __________________ Canon XHA1, SGpro,Flip,FF, RR Mattebox, Nebtek V-R70p-HDA with Canon, Nikkor Primes 24mm f2.8, 28mm f2.8, 35mm f2.0, 50mm f1.4, 85mm f1.4, 105mm f1.8, 135mm f2.0, and 300mm f4.0.

October 3rd, 2007, 07:27 PM	#83
Peter Plevritis Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 27	Hi David, Did you have the chance to talk to Dave Hill about this timecode issue? Any progress on this? Pete

October 6th, 2007, 09:38 PM	#84
James Campbell Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cheshire, CT Posts: 110	Vegas into After Effects I've been using Cineform Neo HDV to capture footage from Sony V1U and Canon HV20 directly into Cineform avi's and using them in Vegas. I just started using After Effects; If I wanted to export a clip from Vegas and use in AE, can I export as a Cineform avi format to use in AE? Or, given that I have Neo HDV, would I have to export as an m2t file and then import into After Effects

October 7th, 2007, 09:32 AM	#85
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	NEO gives you direct CineForm AVI support in After Effects. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

October 18th, 2007, 02:51 AM	#86
Mark Duckworth Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Japan Posts: 93	Updated to 8.0a Just updated to 8.0a. Did the same thing as before. Luckily re-naming the Sony's CFHD.DLL trick still works. Just thought you should know David. __________________ Intel Core 2 Quad E6600(@3GHz) \| Nvidia GeForce 9600 GT/1GB PCI-e x16 DVI \| 8GB DDR2-SDRAM \| 2 x 1TB S-ATA2/7200rpm/32MB Hard Drives \| Vista Ultimate 64

October 18th, 2007, 10:01 AM	#87
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	That is little sad, why didn't Sony fix their bug? __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

October 18th, 2007, 11:19 AM	#88
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Considering that I, and a few others, made formal inputs to their Tech Support, it would seem they've overlooked this little problem.

October 19th, 2007, 12:07 PM	#89
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Vegas user and Neo I edit weddings. What is Cineform (Neo) and how might it benefit me? I went to their site, but it is still unclear to me what the product is for.

October 19th, 2007, 12:52 PM	#90
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	As weddings are less about image enhancement, you may not benefit as much from CineForm. The CineForm products are design with a quality bias, for use in effects and color grading; which is why we particular appeal to the filmmaking crowd. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman