CineForm and Sony Vegas 8

David Newman · September 15th, 2007, 09:04 AM

That's cool, anyone care to do some research to determine where Vegas expects to find timecode. While we have plenty of other engineering projects, it will be one less thing in the way.

Seth Bloombaum · September 15th, 2007, 07:46 PM

Gotta' have timecode as laid down on tape!

Just one vote, but lack of same keeps me away from Cineform for multicam and/or dual system sound. If you follow the recent discussions in the Audio forum, timecode sync is a very hot topic. Many people seem to be using Vegas and liking its robust recognition and sync abilities.

Marcus van Bavel · September 16th, 2007, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

That's cool, anyone care to do some research to determine where Vegas expects to find timecode. While we have plenty of other engineering projects, it will be one less thing in the way.

Dave Hill at Sony can give you the info :) Marcus

David Newman · September 16th, 2007, 04:31 PM

Thanks Marcus,

I speak to Dave Hill a lot, I never think to ask on this one.

Peter Plevritis · September 17th, 2007, 02:21 AM

Great! Thanks Marcus. Thanks David.

Maybe we can get this soon.

Pete

Marc Salvatore · September 19th, 2007, 11:15 PM

Just bought NEO HDV and noticed that when I render to a Cineform Intermediate AVI in Vegas I have an extra quality setting in the codec settings that HD Link does not have.

HD Link = Low, Medium, High, Film Scan 1, Film Scan 2
Vegas = Low, Medium, High, Higher, Film Scan 1, Film Scan 2

David any info on this?

Thanks,

Marc

David Newman · September 20th, 2007, 09:20 AM

Higher is a special version of "High" used for 1920x1080 images that are very detailed -- otherwise it is identical to High. It might go away it future versions as we no longer need this mode (it was before we had Filmscan.)

Hugh Mobley · September 20th, 2007, 09:39 AM

I have NEO HDV and I don't see a "Higher" in the quality drop down, Am I missing something

David Newman · September 20th, 2007, 09:59 AM

Likely looking at a different pulldown, but you are not missing anything.

Marc Salvatore · September 20th, 2007, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh Mobley

I have NEO HDV and I don't see a "Higher" in the quality drop down, Am I missing something

Thanks David. Hugh, it's only viewable when configuring the Cineform codec from within Sony Vegas.

Marc

Ernanio Mandlate · September 20th, 2007, 07:49 PM

I shot a video in 24F/30F with a Canon XH-A1 and captured it with cineform neo-hdv converted it to 1280*720, with a Medium quality setting, would that be sufficient to do some good color grading in After Effects?

David Taylor · September 20th, 2007, 11:38 PM

Ernanio, if you're going to be pushing the image quite a bit in post we'd generally recommend you use the High setting, or if you're a quality perfectionist use our Film Scan setting. Each step "up" on quality settings makes larger files by about 10%-15%.

Hugh Mobley · September 21st, 2007, 12:04 AM

I still have a problem,

I want to add something here RE: V8 crashing, My problem has been when I use Cineform clips (avi) filmscan1 and put them on my timeline, I can save them to a veg. file if I don't render out. I renamed the cfhd.dll. thought it helped until last night. everything was OK until I rendered to a wmv HD file. I did multiple renders on this one veg. file. mpeg2 ntsc was ok, but after the wmv render same problem again, I could get the veg. file to open to 22% then crash, it hangs then all the files open, I click the pop up saying there is problem, crash. Using m2t clips are no problem at all. I tried to get V8 to crash, wouldn't. I can render them into anything and there is no problem. I can go back and put the cineform avi clips back on my timeline, re-do everything and that works, for a while. then crashes again. the computer I am on is a new clean install xp sp2 just for V8, so all programs are newly installed including NEO HDV. are my issues close to anyone else's issues? V7 no issues what so ever. To me, its between V8 and cineform.

Ernanio Mandlate · September 21st, 2007, 02:16 AM

Yes, i'm trying to find a balance between space usage and quality for post. I would love to use the "film scan" setting, but if when i convert 200MB m2t to cineform avi in "High" quality setting I get something like double the file size that's hard for me to manage. But I gotta admit, cineform is a lifesaver.

James Campbell · September 21st, 2007, 07:49 AM

Wow, doesn't sound good, but I'm using Cineform (with Vegas 8) Filmscan avi's and I've rendered into wmv, mpg-2, avi, mp4 without any problems.

September 15th, 2007, 09:04 AM	#61
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	That's cool, anyone care to do some research to determine where Vegas expects to find timecode. While we have plenty of other engineering projects, it will be one less thing in the way. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

September 16th, 2007, 04:31 PM	#64
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Thanks Marcus, I speak to Dave Hill a lot, I never think to ask on this one. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

September 19th, 2007, 11:15 PM	#66
Marc Salvatore Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Medford, OR Posts: 351	"Higher" setting in Vegas? Just bought NEO HDV and noticed that when I render to a Cineform Intermediate AVI in Vegas I have an extra quality setting in the codec settings that HD Link does not have. HD Link = Low, Medium, High, Film Scan 1, Film Scan 2 Vegas = Low, Medium, High, Higher, Film Scan 1, Film Scan 2 David any info on this? Thanks, Marc

September 20th, 2007, 09:20 AM	#67
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Higher is a special version of "High" used for 1920x1080 images that are very detailed -- otherwise it is identical to High. It might go away it future versions as we no longer need this mode (it was before we had Filmscan.) __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

September 20th, 2007, 09:39 AM	#68
Hugh Mobley Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Placentia, Calif Posts: 549	I have NEO HDV and I don't see a "Higher" in the quality drop down, Am I missing something __________________ Hugh Mobley www.petplanetvideos.com http://exposureroom.com/members/hmobley.aspx/

September 15th, 2007, 07:46 PM	#62
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	Gotta' have timecode as laid down on tape! Just one vote, but lack of same keeps me away from Cineform for multicam and/or dual system sound. If you follow the recent discussions in the Audio forum, timecode sync is a very hot topic. Many people seem to be using Vegas and liking its robust recognition and sync abilities.

September 17th, 2007, 02:21 AM	#65
Peter Plevritis Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 27	Great! Thanks Marcus. Thanks David. Maybe we can get this soon. Pete

September 20th, 2007, 09:59 AM	#69
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Likely looking at a different pulldown, but you are not missing anything. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

September 20th, 2007, 07:49 PM	#71
Ernanio Mandlate New Boot Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 10	I shot a video in 24F/30F with a Canon XH-A1 and captured it with cineform neo-hdv converted it to 1280*720, with a Medium quality setting, would that be sufficient to do some good color grading in After Effects?

September 20th, 2007, 11:38 PM	#72
David Taylor Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Solana Beach, CA Posts: 853	Ernanio, if you're going to be pushing the image quite a bit in post we'd generally recommend you use the High setting, or if you're a quality perfectionist use our Film Scan setting. Each step "up" on quality settings makes larger files by about 10%-15%.

September 21st, 2007, 12:04 AM	#73
Hugh Mobley Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Placentia, Calif Posts: 549	I still have a problem, I want to add something here RE: V8 crashing, My problem has been when I use Cineform clips (avi) filmscan1 and put them on my timeline, I can save them to a veg. file if I don't render out. I renamed the cfhd.dll. thought it helped until last night. everything was OK until I rendered to a wmv HD file. I did multiple renders on this one veg. file. mpeg2 ntsc was ok, but after the wmv render same problem again, I could get the veg. file to open to 22% then crash, it hangs then all the files open, I click the pop up saying there is problem, crash. Using m2t clips are no problem at all. I tried to get V8 to crash, wouldn't. I can render them into anything and there is no problem. I can go back and put the cineform avi clips back on my timeline, re-do everything and that works, for a while. then crashes again. the computer I am on is a new clean install xp sp2 just for V8, so all programs are newly installed including NEO HDV. are my issues close to anyone else's issues? V7 no issues what so ever. To me, its between V8 and cineform. __________________ Hugh Mobley www.petplanetvideos.com http://exposureroom.com/members/hmobley.aspx/

September 21st, 2007, 02:16 AM	#74
Ernanio Mandlate New Boot Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 10	Yes, i'm trying to find a balance between space usage and quality for post. I would love to use the "film scan" setting, but if when i convert 200MB m2t to cineform avi in "High" quality setting I get something like double the file size that's hard for me to manage. But I gotta admit, cineform is a lifesaver.

September 21st, 2007, 07:49 AM	#75
James Campbell Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cheshire, CT Posts: 110	Wow, doesn't sound good, but I'm using Cineform (with Vegas 8) Filmscan avi's and I've rendered into wmv, mpg-2, avi, mp4 without any problems.