Aspect HDv5 + PPro 2.0 issues on Playback at DVinfo.net

Simon Heymans · July 29th, 2007, 04:27 PM

Hi Cineform guys,
I am currently editing a project for which I captured my footage through HD Link a while ago (Build 85 I think).
I just installed Build 87 (latest one) and whenever I time reverse a clip I can't playback in realtime. I get a black video with a red cross on the top left of the monitor?!Also I get the same thing when I add black bars on top of my clip! Scrubbing is fine!
I don't know if this is linked to the fact that I captured the .avi files through HDLink with a previous build but it's pretty anoying!

Also the Quicktime encoding in After effects still doesn;t work :(

One thing I noticed is that in the Add/Remove programs I don't have anywhere the "Cineform HD VFW Codec". I mention this because on the "clean" uninstallation of Cineform components this is supposed to be removed!

Steven Gotz · July 29th, 2007, 07:19 PM

I can not play back reversed video in realtime either. The file I tried was from a previous HDLink version. I don't know if it was that way before though.

Rendering works.

David Newman · July 29th, 2007, 10:24 PM

We don't support real-time reverse playback, and we never have, so no feature was removed. ;) Yes rendering a reverse motion will work fine.

Simon Heymans · July 30th, 2007, 09:37 AM

Hi David,
Do you know if it's the same for clips on which the motion was changed.
I just tried to lower a clip (because of black bars) and when playing back the video jumps forward every 2-3 sec as if there were missing frames!

Anyone had the same issue?

David Newman · July 30th, 2007, 09:53 AM

Simon, the motion interface is supported in real-time. Sorry, I don't understand your question.

Simon Heymans · July 30th, 2007, 11:00 AM

Hi David,
In premiere I changed the motion position of the clip, so intead of having the default position to 640 I changed to 560 for example.
After that I don;t have any real playback anymore, realtime works when I change the scale but not the position.
Is this normal?

David Newman · July 30th, 2007, 11:02 AM

That is not normal. Open a trouble ticket with cineform.com/support and submit all details.

Steven Gotz · July 30th, 2007, 11:29 AM

Just to verify David's statement, I put a Cineform AVI from a previous version on the sequence, but a title on it to create bars on the top and bottom, and moved the clip down to show the topmost part of the frame, and it was all realtime. No problem.

How did you create the black bars?

Simon Heymans · July 31st, 2007, 03:12 AM

Hi Steven & David,
I have been opening a few tickets for Aspect HD (2 so far have not been resolved for a while now -concerning quicktime rendering in AE:( snif)
However I created the black bars by putting a black video on top of my clip. On this black video I put a crop of more or less 15% on top and bottom. I added than an alpha invert so that the black bars would show on the top and the bottom.
Doing this I can't play in real-time I get a black video with red cross on the top left.
I changed the position of the video because the black bars where hidding important elements and again no real-time playback!
Unselecting (hidding) the black video on top I still get the same issue!

Could this be linked to the fact that in the Add/Remove programs I don't have anywhere the "Cineform HD VFW Codec". See my first post!

I just posted a ticket to cineform!

Steven Gotz · July 31st, 2007, 08:59 AM

Simon,

I don't have a "Cineform HD VFW Codec" in my list either.

Let me say that your method of putting black bars on the video is interesting, but way too complicated in comparison to using a title template.

Having said that, I can tell you that I get a black screen with a red X when I try your way as well. Apparently "Crop" is one of the features that is not yet supported in realtime by Cineform. Quite a few are not yet supported. Give them time. It does work OK if you render. So I suggest giving up the hard way and use the easy way. The easy way is supported.

Go into the titler and pull up the title templates under Mattes and select Letterbox. If the black bars are too big, simply increase the scale of the title using Motion. If they are too small, then open title again and manually increase the size of the black bars.

By the way, my way not only plays back in realtime, it doesn't even require a render!

Simon Heymans · July 31st, 2007, 09:05 AM

Hi Steven,
Thanks for the tip, i have been using my method for a while and never tried to find a new way. So great I learned something and yours is simpler indeed!

However concerning the motion position change I guess this is really an issue within Cineform!

Steven Gotz · July 31st, 2007, 09:26 AM

Simon,

The position change is not causing the problem. The crop is. At least on my system. I can change position without creating the need for a render.

Simon Heymans · August 3rd, 2007, 02:30 AM

I am reopening this thread as I am facing other issues w/ playback of HDLink captured footage.
A while ago I shot footage in 60i and using HDlink I converted them to 24p (slow-motion). My project is in 24p. When importing the footage in the timeline I can't read in real-time, that's ok I guess it's normal.
When I scrub the footage the video seems fine. However after rendering and playing back I get a video with many stripes.
See attachment left side how it looks like before rendering and right after rendering?!

Anyone had this issue before?

David Newman · August 3rd, 2007, 09:10 AM

Contact support at cineform.com/support.

July 29th, 2007, 04:27 PM	#1
Simon Heymans Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Brussels - Belgium Posts: 53	Aspect HDv5 + PPro 2.0 issues on Playback Hi Cineform guys, I am currently editing a project for which I captured my footage through HD Link a while ago (Build 85 I think). I just installed Build 87 (latest one) and whenever I time reverse a clip I can't playback in realtime. I get a black video with a red cross on the top left of the monitor?!Also I get the same thing when I add black bars on top of my clip! Scrubbing is fine! I don't know if this is linked to the fact that I captured the .avi files through HDLink with a previous build but it's pretty anoying! Also the Quicktime encoding in After effects still doesn;t work :( One thing I noticed is that in the Add/Remove programs I don't have anywhere the "Cineform HD VFW Codec". I mention this because on the "clean" uninstallation of Cineform components this is supposed to be removed! __________________ Simon Heymans http://www.vimeo.com/simonheymans

July 29th, 2007, 07:19 PM	#2
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	I can not play back reversed video in realtime either. The file I tried was from a previous HDLink version. I don't know if it was that way before though. Rendering works. __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com

July 29th, 2007, 10:24 PM	#3
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	We don't support real-time reverse playback, and we never have, so no feature was removed. ;) Yes rendering a reverse motion will work fine. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

July 30th, 2007, 09:37 AM	#4
Simon Heymans Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Brussels - Belgium Posts: 53	Hi David, Do you know if it's the same for clips on which the motion was changed. I just tried to lower a clip (because of black bars) and when playing back the video jumps forward every 2-3 sec as if there were missing frames! Anyone had the same issue? __________________ Simon Heymans http://www.vimeo.com/simonheymans

July 30th, 2007, 09:53 AM	#5
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Simon, the motion interface is supported in real-time. Sorry, I don't understand your question. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

July 30th, 2007, 11:00 AM	#6
Simon Heymans Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Brussels - Belgium Posts: 53	Hi David, In premiere I changed the motion position of the clip, so intead of having the default position to 640 I changed to 560 for example. After that I don;t have any real playback anymore, realtime works when I change the scale but not the position. Is this normal? __________________ Simon Heymans http://www.vimeo.com/simonheymans

July 30th, 2007, 11:02 AM	#7
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	That is not normal. Open a trouble ticket with cineform.com/support and submit all details. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

July 30th, 2007, 11:29 AM	#8
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	Just to verify David's statement, I put a Cineform AVI from a previous version on the sequence, but a title on it to create bars on the top and bottom, and moved the clip down to show the topmost part of the frame, and it was all realtime. No problem. How did you create the black bars? __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com

July 31st, 2007, 03:12 AM	#9
Simon Heymans Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Brussels - Belgium Posts: 53	Hi Steven & David, I have been opening a few tickets for Aspect HD (2 so far have not been resolved for a while now -concerning quicktime rendering in AE:( snif) However I created the black bars by putting a black video on top of my clip. On this black video I put a crop of more or less 15% on top and bottom. I added than an alpha invert so that the black bars would show on the top and the bottom. Doing this I can't play in real-time I get a black video with red cross on the top left. I changed the position of the video because the black bars where hidding important elements and again no real-time playback! Unselecting (hidding) the black video on top I still get the same issue! Could this be linked to the fact that in the Add/Remove programs I don't have anywhere the "Cineform HD VFW Codec". See my first post! I just posted a ticket to cineform! __________________ Simon Heymans http://www.vimeo.com/simonheymans Last edited by Simon Heymans; July 31st, 2007 at 06:48 AM. Reason: Cineform ticket

July 31st, 2007, 08:59 AM	#10
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	Simon, I don't have a "Cineform HD VFW Codec" in my list either. Let me say that your method of putting black bars on the video is interesting, but way too complicated in comparison to using a title template. Having said that, I can tell you that I get a black screen with a red X when I try your way as well. Apparently "Crop" is one of the features that is not yet supported in realtime by Cineform. Quite a few are not yet supported. Give them time. It does work OK if you render. So I suggest giving up the hard way and use the easy way. The easy way is supported. Go into the titler and pull up the title templates under Mattes and select Letterbox. If the black bars are too big, simply increase the scale of the title using Motion. If they are too small, then open title again and manually increase the size of the black bars. By the way, my way not only plays back in realtime, it doesn't even require a render! __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com

July 31st, 2007, 09:05 AM	#11
Simon Heymans Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Brussels - Belgium Posts: 53	Hi Steven, Thanks for the tip, i have been using my method for a while and never tried to find a new way. So great I learned something and yours is simpler indeed! However concerning the motion position change I guess this is really an issue within Cineform! __________________ Simon Heymans http://www.vimeo.com/simonheymans

July 31st, 2007, 09:26 AM	#12
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	Simon, The position change is not causing the problem. The crop is. At least on my system. I can change position without creating the need for a render. __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com

August 3rd, 2007, 02:30 AM	#13
Simon Heymans Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Brussels - Belgium Posts: 53	I am reopening this thread as I am facing other issues w/ playback of HDLink captured footage. A while ago I shot footage in 60i and using HDlink I converted them to 24p (slow-motion). My project is in 24p. When importing the footage in the timeline I can't read in real-time, that's ok I guess it's normal. When I scrub the footage the video seems fine. However after rendering and playing back I get a video with many stripes. See attachment left side how it looks like before rendering and right after rendering?! Anyone had this issue before? Attached Thumbnails __________________ Simon Heymans http://www.vimeo.com/simonheymans

August 3rd, 2007, 09:10 AM	#14
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Contact support at cineform.com/support. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman