Need help with XL1s setup at DVinfo.net

Tony Sellars · March 6th, 2007, 06:54 AM

First- hope this doesn't go in "Now hear this", I wanted input from actual XL1s owners. Here is my current setup. XL1s, Azden 100 mics with xlr's, Studio 1-XLR BP3 adapter (which has direct line to 1/8 mic input on camera). I do not have ma-200 or ma-100. Here is what I want to do- I'm looking to buy ENG- 44 mixer to upgrade my sound and mixing capabilities- need to use at least 3 mics. The ENG-44 will allow 4. Question- what is the best way to get from ENG-44 to camera? If I purchase a ma-100 or 200 will that help? Can I go directly from 44 to camera 1/8 with direct line? I know these are stupid questions to some but we really need help. Thanks

Mark Bournes · March 6th, 2007, 07:22 AM

Buy the MA100. You'll find it easier to use external mics of any kind instead of using the 1/8th input.

Tony Sellars · March 6th, 2007, 07:42 AM

I had a ma-100 offered to me at a good price. Here's a dumb question. For a 4 mic setup coming from the ENG-44, can I use the 100's 2 inputs or do I need the ma-200's 4?

Les Wilson · March 7th, 2007, 06:52 AM

You don't need the MA 200. You need the MA100. The ENG 44 has balanced XLR outputs. Let the ENG 44 do your mixing to 2 channels. THose two channels go into the MA100. You may have to set the XL1s to Line level input unless the ENG 44 can output mic level. THe MA100 will be handy for other configurations where you don't use the ENG 44.

For reference, the 4 channels MA 200 is to support the 4-channel audio format of DV. You have to drop to 12-bit audio to do 4 channel recording. Also, you have to capture the extra two channels in a second pass.

Don Palomaki · March 8th, 2007, 05:21 AM

Be aware that the MA-100 (and MA-200) are not designed for line-level inputs (e.g., typically +4 dB for progear). They are designed for mic level input (e.g., -30 dB), and will clip if they receive a line level input. If you intend to feed them line level balanced input, you shoud use a pad in front of the input to the MA-100, 30 dB should be sufficient.

Waldemar Winkler · March 8th, 2007, 06:28 PM

The studio one will work just fine, but it has to go into the front mic 1/8" input. I have a Sign Video XLR adapter, which works well on either of my XL1s's as well as my GL1. It is similar to your Studio One adapter. I also have the MA 100 and 200 (came with the cameras). Like Don indicated, any kind of +4db input will distort on the MA 100 & 200.

Since you already have an XLR adapter, the value of the MA adapters is a bit moot.

Jeffrey Butler · March 8th, 2007, 06:57 PM

I would stay away from the 4-channel goodness of DV. I've used it. I used to run the stereo mic into 1/2 and had a shotgun/lav on 3/4. The second pass to capture really puts a kink the workflow process, though it does work.

But what really got me, was the number of dropouts I would get. I've shots 100s of hours of footage, and my take is that the only trouble I've really had w/ audio is when I was 4 channel. Maybe that's not scientific enough for some, but dang - you'd have to poll-whip me to get me to shoot 4-channel again...

I did all this with an XL-1s and an MA-200.

Waldemar Winkler · March 8th, 2007, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Butler

I would stay away from the 4-channel goodness of DV. I've used it. I used to run the stereo mic into 1/2 and had a shotgun/lav on 3/4. The second pass to capture really puts a kink the workflow process, though it does work.

But what really got me, was the number of dropouts I would get. I've shots 100s of hours of footage, and my take is that the only trouble I've really had w/ audio is when I was 4 channel. Maybe that's not scientific enough for some, but dang - you'd have to poll-whip me to get me to shoot 4-channel again...

I did all this with an XL-1s and an MA-200.

Agree. I always record audio 2 channel into my XL1s.

March 6th, 2007, 06:54 AM	#1
Tony Sellars Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Morristown, TN Posts: 46	Need help with XL1s setup First- hope this doesn't go in "Now hear this", I wanted input from actual XL1s owners. Here is my current setup. XL1s, Azden 100 mics with xlr's, Studio 1-XLR BP3 adapter (which has direct line to 1/8 mic input on camera). I do not have ma-200 or ma-100. Here is what I want to do- I'm looking to buy ENG- 44 mixer to upgrade my sound and mixing capabilities- need to use at least 3 mics. The ENG-44 will allow 4. Question- what is the best way to get from ENG-44 to camera? If I purchase a ma-100 or 200 will that help? Can I go directly from 44 to camera 1/8 with direct line? I know these are stupid questions to some but we really need help. Thanks

March 6th, 2007, 07:22 AM	#2
Mark Bournes Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Jupiter, FL Posts: 565	Buy the MA100. You'll find it easier to use external mics of any kind instead of using the 1/8th input. __________________ Mark www.sharkvp.com

March 8th, 2007, 05:21 AM	#5
Don Palomaki Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,488	Be aware that the MA-100 (and MA-200) are not designed for line-level inputs (e.g., typically +4 dB for progear). They are designed for mic level input (e.g., -30 dB), and will clip if they receive a line level input. If you intend to feed them line level balanced input, you shoud use a pad in front of the input to the MA-100, 30 dB should be sufficient. __________________ dpalomaki@dspalomaki.com

March 8th, 2007, 06:28 PM	#6
Waldemar Winkler Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Durango, Colorado, USA Posts: 711	The studio one will work just fine, but it has to go into the front mic 1/8" input. I have a Sign Video XLR adapter, which works well on either of my XL1s's as well as my GL1. It is similar to your Studio One adapter. I also have the MA 100 and 200 (came with the cameras). Like Don indicated, any kind of +4db input will distort on the MA 100 & 200. Since you already have an XLR adapter, the value of the MA adapters is a bit moot. __________________ Waldemar

March 8th, 2007, 06:57 PM	#7
Jeffrey Butler Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Virgina, USA Posts: 276	1,2,3,4 I would stay away from the 4-channel goodness of DV. I've used it. I used to run the stereo mic into 1/2 and had a shotgun/lav on 3/4. The second pass to capture really puts a kink the workflow process, though it does work. But what really got me, was the number of dropouts I would get. I've shots 100s of hours of footage, and my take is that the only trouble I've really had w/ audio is when I was 4 channel. Maybe that's not scientific enough for some, but dang - you'd have to poll-whip me to get me to shoot 4-channel again... I did all this with an XL-1s and an MA-200. __________________ Jeff Butler Butler Films

March 6th, 2007, 07:42 AM	#3
Tony Sellars Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Morristown, TN Posts: 46	I had a ma-100 offered to me at a good price. Here's a dumb question. For a 4 mic setup coming from the ENG-44, can I use the 100's 2 inputs or do I need the ma-200's 4?

March 7th, 2007, 06:52 AM	#4
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	You don't need the MA 200. You need the MA100. The ENG 44 has balanced XLR outputs. Let the ENG 44 do your mixing to 2 channels. THose two channels go into the MA100. You may have to set the XL1s to Line level input unless the ENG 44 can output mic level. THe MA100 will be handy for other configurations where you don't use the ENG 44. For reference, the 4 channels MA 200 is to support the 4-channel audio format of DV. You have to drop to 12-bit audio to do 4 channel recording. Also, you have to capture the extra two channels in a second pass.