y splitter with two male ends? and mono/stereo question at DVinfo.net

Josh Bass · March 6th, 2003, 05:22 PM

Is there a such thing? I'm talking XLR cables. I would like to use my ME66 and plug into both channels of my MA100, instead of just the left or right, so that in post I don't have to make everything stereo (or two channel mono) with Sound Forge.

Is such a thing possible? Does such a cable exist?

Also, when taking a mono signal (left or right channel only) and turning itinto mono where the channels are mixed, is this the same as making it stereo and putting the same signal to both channels? Does the previous question make any sense to anyone?

Don Palomaki · March 6th, 2003, 05:50 PM

Yes and yes.

And yes, the question is confusing.

Maybe this is the answer you are lookign for: Feeding the mic into both the left and right channel when recording will result in essentially the same end result as copying the left (or right) channel to the other in post. I say essentially because paralleling the inputs (feeding one mic into both inputs) cahnges the load impedance that the mic sees, and thus may change the sound somewhat, probably not significant for most purposes.

Josh Bass · March 6th, 2003, 07:26 PM

Change the sound how? Volume? Quality? Is it possible though? I know they have female y splitters, but never seen male.

Jay Gladwell · March 6th, 2003, 07:38 PM

Josh, I've got one that I've been using for a couple of years now. The female end plugs into the mic and the two male ends plug into the MA100's left and right channel.

As to how, if at all, it affects the sound, I can't say because I've noticed or had reason to test it out. So far it sounds fine to me (but I'm not a sound engineer).

Marco Leavitt · March 6th, 2003, 11:04 PM

I've heard of people using this setup so they can use two different setting on their Studio1/Beachtek as safety. That way they can pick whichever track sounds better. The guy at B&H mocked me when I asked him if he had an adapter though, so I can't say how well it works.

Josh Bass · March 7th, 2003, 12:42 AM

Those B&H people are some aggressive, surly bastards.

Jay, you get crisp clear, audio, with no discernible . . .uh. . .bad effects? Oh, and where'd you get it.

Don Palomaki · March 7th, 2003, 05:08 AM

How can splitting change the sound? In just about all devices the output impedance is somewhat frequency dependent - the published figure is often measured at 1000 Hz. Thus chaning the load impedance can change the effective frequency response delivered to the recorder somewhat (sort of like a tone-conrol effect).

In most cases this will be very slight and not noticed by anyone except perhaps a goldern ear in A/B comparisons. But with cheap or poorly made and high impedance mics it could be significant.

In final analysis, try splitting the mic output, and if it sounds OK (it should), go for it.

Jay Gladwell · March 7th, 2003, 06:10 AM

No, Josh, there's nothing that I can hear that indicates the sound is degraded in any way. That doesn't mean it's not, to one degree or another. If it's one of those situations where it requires some electronic device to detect it, then I don't worry about it. Heck, if anyone asks you why the sound's messed-up, tell 'em it's fine and to get their hearing checked. (Just kidding.) Tell you what I'll do. You have given me reason to do a test to see (hear) if there is any discernable difference. Then I'll post it (as a small .wav file) on my web site and you can make your own decision, if that would help you any.

As to where I got it... if memory serves me correctly, and it doesn't always, I bought it at Guitar Center. Seems odd I know, but they are close by and their prices on XLR cables and such are really good. If you can't find a splitter near you, I'll buy one and mail it to you.

Josh Bass · March 7th, 2003, 01:31 PM

Seems they have em at B&H

Marco Leavitt · March 7th, 2003, 01:58 PM

Do you know the product number

Josh Bass · March 7th, 2003, 05:32 PM

look on their site under y cables

Jay (or anyone) when you use the y cable with your MA100, do you ever have the mic mounted on the camera, like the stereo shotgun that comes with it ( I assume you're using an XL1s?). If so, don't you need another cable in addition to the y cable to reach from the back of the mic to the MA100 port? I was thinking of getting a 6 inch or foot and half long cable in addition to the y cable to reach. Any noticable loss when using more than one XLR cable?

March 6th, 2003, 05:22 PM	#1
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	y splitter with two male ends? and mono/stereo question Is there a such thing? I'm talking XLR cables. I would like to use my ME66 and plug into both channels of my MA100, instead of just the left or right, so that in post I don't have to make everything stereo (or two channel mono) with Sound Forge. Is such a thing possible? Does such a cable exist? Also, when taking a mono signal (left or right channel only) and turning itinto mono where the channels are mixed, is this the same as making it stereo and putting the same signal to both channels? Does the previous question make any sense to anyone? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

March 6th, 2003, 07:26 PM	#3
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Change the sound how? Volume? Quality? Is it possible though? I know they have female y splitters, but never seen male. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

March 7th, 2003, 12:42 AM	#6
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Those B&H people are some aggressive, surly bastards. Jay, you get crisp clear, audio, with no discernible . . .uh. . .bad effects? Oh, and where'd you get it. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

March 7th, 2003, 01:31 PM	#9
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Seems they have em at B&H __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

March 7th, 2003, 05:32 PM	#11
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	look on their site under y cables Jay (or anyone) when you use the y cable with your MA100, do you ever have the mic mounted on the camera, like the stereo shotgun that comes with it ( I assume you're using an XL1s?). If so, don't you need another cable in addition to the y cable to reach from the back of the mic to the MA100 port? I was thinking of getting a 6 inch or foot and half long cable in addition to the y cable to reach. Any noticable loss when using more than one XLR cable? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

March 6th, 2003, 05:50 PM	#2
Don Palomaki Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,488	Yes and yes. And yes, the question is confusing. Maybe this is the answer you are lookign for: Feeding the mic into both the left and right channel when recording will result in essentially the same end result as copying the left (or right) channel to the other in post. I say essentially because paralleling the inputs (feeding one mic into both inputs) cahnges the load impedance that the mic sees, and thus may change the sound somewhat, probably not significant for most purposes.

March 6th, 2003, 07:38 PM	#4
Jay Gladwell Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,244	Josh, I've got one that I've been using for a couple of years now. The female end plugs into the mic and the two male ends plug into the MA100's left and right channel. As to how, if at all, it affects the sound, I can't say because I've noticed or had reason to test it out. So far it sounds fine to me (but I'm not a sound engineer).

March 6th, 2003, 11:04 PM	#5
Marco Leavitt Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Albany, NY 12210 Posts: 2,652	I've heard of people using this setup so they can use two different setting on their Studio1/Beachtek as safety. That way they can pick whichever track sounds better. The guy at B&H mocked me when I asked him if he had an adapter though, so I can't say how well it works.

March 7th, 2003, 05:08 AM	#7
Don Palomaki Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,488	How can splitting change the sound? In just about all devices the output impedance is somewhat frequency dependent - the published figure is often measured at 1000 Hz. Thus chaning the load impedance can change the effective frequency response delivered to the recorder somewhat (sort of like a tone-conrol effect). In most cases this will be very slight and not noticed by anyone except perhaps a goldern ear in A/B comparisons. But with cheap or poorly made and high impedance mics it could be significant. In final analysis, try splitting the mic output, and if it sounds OK (it should), go for it.

March 7th, 2003, 06:10 AM	#8
Jay Gladwell Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,244	No, Josh, there's nothing that I can hear that indicates the sound is degraded in any way. That doesn't mean it's not, to one degree or another. If it's one of those situations where it requires some electronic device to detect it, then I don't worry about it. Heck, if anyone asks you why the sound's messed-up, tell 'em it's fine and to get their hearing checked. (Just kidding.) Tell you what I'll do. You have given me reason to do a test to see (hear) if there is any discernable difference. Then I'll post it (as a small .wav file) on my web site and you can make your own decision, if that would help you any. As to where I got it... if memory serves me correctly, and it doesn't always, I bought it at Guitar Center. Seems odd I know, but they are close by and their prices on XLR cables and such are really good. If you can't find a splitter near you, I'll buy one and mail it to you.

March 7th, 2003, 01:58 PM	#10
Marco Leavitt Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Albany, NY 12210 Posts: 2,652	Do you know the product number