Is the manual 16x better than the sock? at DVinfo.net

Jimmy Devarie · November 25th, 2005, 11:34 AM

Hello all, I have a XL1s with which I have done a few things none of which requiring any elaborate appearance. I use FCP for post and with the aid filters and what not I can get the look I want. For all this I have been using the stock lense.
However, I have now been approached by a good friend who operates a music recording studio. He asked if I would be up to filming a video for one of his groups. I think that it is a good opportunity for both. I have never done a music video before but what he has been asking is fairly simple to do so I thought I would not have a hard time satisfying him. On the other hand, I would like to test myself. I have been having the itch of getting a new lense for my camera and have been looking at the 16x manual servo lense and at a P+S teknik set up. Needless to say, there are cost factors involved with the decision. I would like more control over my DOF and was wondering if using the 16X would let me do that. I know that the lens that I am using now does not allow me to play much with DOF and the constant backfocus issues are a little pain to handle.
Does anyone have a pointer to sample footage shot with the 16x manual servo? What do you think about the lense?
I am planning on purchasing the nattress filters for that 24p look but I am very concerned about the picture itself.
thanks in advance.
Jim

Charles Papert · November 25th, 2005, 12:16 PM

Great lens, will not deliver any different DoF characteristic than the stock lens. The P+S is a completely different situation altogether.

Jimmy Devarie · November 25th, 2005, 01:32 PM

Thank you Charles. Just what I suspected.
regards,
Jim

Richard Alvarez · November 25th, 2005, 01:53 PM

Charles is right. I shoot with the 16x and love it. I think it's a tad bit sharper than the auto. No difference of course in DOF. IF you want to expand your toolkit and 'looks', then consider buying the 3x wide angle. This will give you more options overall. Later, you can buy the 16x manual, or swap the auto for it with someone.

Ash Greyson · December 8th, 2005, 12:23 AM

Actually a little less DOF because of the 4X difference BUT... it is TERRIFIC glass for the price and is a solid performer that will make you a better shooter... no OIS though...

ash =o)

Jean-Philippe Archibald · December 8th, 2005, 07:58 AM

Not trully accurate. At a given focal length you will have exactly the same DOF.

And it is not LESS DOF because of the 4X difference, it is MORE. I understand why people misuse the term. You will have LESS of the effect of a background out of focus, because the depth of field is GREATER.

December 8th, 2005, 10:54 AM

The 16X Manual Servo lens produces a considerably sharper image, especially on long shots. The trouble is, you're going to need the FU-1000 B&W viewfinder to focus it. The stock EVF just doesn't cut it. On the good side, once you've made the switch you'll never look back. Day & night difference.

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/31911561091.jpg&s=x2

Richard Alvarez · December 8th, 2005, 11:48 AM

Yup,

Should have mentioned that I shoot with the FU-1000 as well.

Ash Greyson · December 8th, 2005, 02:58 PM

Sorry about the semantics... you will not get as much control over the DOF because the lens is shorter. And yes that only applies at over 16X.

ash =o)

November 25th, 2005, 11:34 AM	#1
Jimmy Devarie New Boot Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 11	Is the manual 16x better than the sock? Hello all, I have a XL1s with which I have done a few things none of which requiring any elaborate appearance. I use FCP for post and with the aid filters and what not I can get the look I want. For all this I have been using the stock lense. However, I have now been approached by a good friend who operates a music recording studio. He asked if I would be up to filming a video for one of his groups. I think that it is a good opportunity for both. I have never done a music video before but what he has been asking is fairly simple to do so I thought I would not have a hard time satisfying him. On the other hand, I would like to test myself. I have been having the itch of getting a new lense for my camera and have been looking at the 16x manual servo lense and at a P+S teknik set up. Needless to say, there are cost factors involved with the decision. I would like more control over my DOF and was wondering if using the 16X would let me do that. I know that the lens that I am using now does not allow me to play much with DOF and the constant backfocus issues are a little pain to handle. Does anyone have a pointer to sample footage shot with the 16x manual servo? What do you think about the lense? I am planning on purchasing the nattress filters for that 24p look but I am very concerned about the picture itself. thanks in advance. Jim

November 25th, 2005, 12:16 PM	#2
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	Great lens, will not deliver any different DoF characteristic than the stock lens. The P+S is a completely different situation altogether. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

December 8th, 2005, 07:58 AM	#6
Jean-Philippe Archibald Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada Posts: 1,051	Not trully accurate. At a given focal length you will have exactly the same DOF. And it is not LESS DOF because of the 4X difference, it is MORE. I understand why people misuse the term. You will have LESS of the effect of a background out of focus, because the depth of field is GREATER. __________________ Jean-Philippe Archibald http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib

November 25th, 2005, 01:32 PM	#3
Jimmy Devarie New Boot Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 11	Thank you Charles. Just what I suspected. regards, Jim

November 25th, 2005, 01:53 PM	#4
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Charles is right. I shoot with the 16x and love it. I think it's a tad bit sharper than the auto. No difference of course in DOF. IF you want to expand your toolkit and 'looks', then consider buying the 3x wide angle. This will give you more options overall. Later, you can buy the 16x manual, or swap the auto for it with someone.

December 8th, 2005, 12:23 AM	#5
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	Actually a little less DOF because of the 4X difference BUT... it is TERRIFIC glass for the price and is a solid performer that will make you a better shooter... no OIS though... ash =o)

December 8th, 2005, 10:54 AM	#7
Guest Posts: n/a	The 16X Manual Servo lens produces a considerably sharper image, especially on long shots. The trouble is, you're going to need the FU-1000 B&W viewfinder to focus it. The stock EVF just doesn't cut it. On the good side, once you've made the switch you'll never look back. Day & night difference. http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/31911561091.jpg&s=x2

December 8th, 2005, 11:48 AM	#8
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Yup, Should have mentioned that I shoot with the FU-1000 as well.

December 8th, 2005, 02:58 PM	#9
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	Sorry about the semantics... you will not get as much control over the DOF because the lens is shorter. And yes that only applies at over 16X. ash =o)