Frame Mode Output Question at DVinfo.net

Marco Wagner · September 9th, 2005, 07:30 PM

If I shoot footage in 'frame mode' on my XL1s, in post should I then choose progressive as an output option in my NLE or leave it interlaced?

Mathieu Ghekiere · September 10th, 2005, 06:25 AM

I tried both, and progressive looked better on the computer screen, because with interlaced it looked like I had almost invisable (but still visable) horizontal lines (but not like the usual interlacing lines) and when I export in progressive, I didn't had these. But it could be that on a television screen they both look the same.
I do have to mention I have a PAL XL1s, so mine was 25p, and not 30p.
I would say: try to export a minute in both ways, and look if you see a difference, and if so, what you like the best.
Best regards,

Rob Lohman · September 13th, 2005, 03:11 AM

Your complete workflow should remain progressive for optimal look:

- project settings
- footage settings
- export settings

Good luck!

Mathieu Ghekiere · September 13th, 2005, 04:33 AM

But Rob, to capture, you have to put your NLE in interlaced, though? Because it isn't really progressive?

Kin Kwan · September 13th, 2005, 01:11 PM

What NLE are you using? For Adobe Premiere, if you export your clip as "interlaced," it'll just spit out the video whereas "progressive" will try to deinterlace your clip. Since your video was recorded in frame mode and no deinterlacing is necessary, I suggest leaving it in "interlaced."

Marco Wagner · September 13th, 2005, 07:32 PM

Premiere Pro 1.5
4:3
final output for DVD

Rob says progressive
Kin says interlaced

That's one vote for each, lol. I guess I'll be trying a bi-directional test then. I was hoping someone had already had this issue.

Rob Lohman · September 15th, 2005, 01:34 PM

It should be progressive. You can't do a progressive or interlaced capture with
DV. DV is always captured as is. Progressive footage is not interlaced. It is just
stored as an interlaced signal in DV (which is something different). Keep
everything progressive if you want progressive. Simple as that.

Kin Kwan · September 15th, 2005, 03:46 PM

Marco, which export option are you using in Premiere Pro 1.5? When I go to File > Export Movie > Settings > Keyframe and Rendering, I only see the options "No fields (Progressive Scan), Upper Field First, and Lower Field First" and nothing about Interlaced. There's a "Deinterlace" check box, but if your footage is progressive, you shouldn't have to mess with that.

My DV3000U has a pseudo progressive mode and I've always left the options at 'No fields (Progressive Scan)' and the 'Deinterlace' box unchecked when I export.

Marco Wagner · September 15th, 2005, 07:00 PM

I think the default option is Upper Field first. I have always left it at that.

Kin Kwan · September 15th, 2005, 09:45 PM

I just did a quick test by exporting one of my progressive clips with the 'Upper Field First' setting and the 'No Fields (Progressive Scan)' setting. It seems like 'No Fields (Progressive Scan)' is what you need. Run a test for yourself and you'll see what I mean.

Marco Wagner · September 16th, 2005, 05:45 PM

Hey great, I'll give that a try tonight. Thanks a bunch!

Hugh DiMauro · September 29th, 2005, 12:28 PM

Interlaced NTSC DV is always lower field first. Lower field first.

Lower field first.

Kin Kwan · September 29th, 2005, 02:04 PM

Hugh, according to Marco, he's working on progressive footages which means there aren't any fields.

Hugh DiMauro · September 30th, 2005, 08:00 AM

A ha! Of course. Then, when in progresive, the option of lower or upper should be shaded?

Kin Kwan · September 30th, 2005, 08:33 AM

Nah, it's not shaded. Like I said in my 2nd to last post, you have to set it to "No Fields (Progressive Scan)."

September 9th, 2005, 07:30 PM	#1
Marco Wagner Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 1,043	Frame Mode Output Question If I shoot footage in 'frame mode' on my XL1s, in post should I then choose progressive as an output option in my NLE or leave it interlaced? __________________ www.facebook.com/projectspecto

September 13th, 2005, 03:11 AM	#3
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Your complete workflow should remain progressive for optimal look: - project settings - footage settings - export settings Good luck! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 13th, 2005, 07:32 PM	#6
Marco Wagner Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 1,043	Premiere Pro 1.5 4:3 final output for DVD Rob says progressive Kin says interlaced That's one vote for each, lol. I guess I'll be trying a bi-directional test then. I was hoping someone had already had this issue. __________________ www.facebook.com/projectspecto

September 15th, 2005, 01:34 PM	#7
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	It should be progressive. You can't do a progressive or interlaced capture with DV. DV is always captured as is. Progressive footage is not interlaced. It is just stored as an interlaced signal in DV (which is something different). Keep everything progressive if you want progressive. Simple as that. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 15th, 2005, 07:00 PM	#9
Marco Wagner Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 1,043	I think the default option is Upper Field first. I have always left it at that. __________________ www.facebook.com/projectspecto

September 10th, 2005, 06:25 AM	#2
Mathieu Ghekiere Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,195	I tried both, and progressive looked better on the computer screen, because with interlaced it looked like I had almost invisable (but still visable) horizontal lines (but not like the usual interlacing lines) and when I export in progressive, I didn't had these. But it could be that on a television screen they both look the same. I do have to mention I have a PAL XL1s, so mine was 25p, and not 30p. I would say: try to export a minute in both ways, and look if you see a difference, and if so, what you like the best. Best regards,

September 13th, 2005, 04:33 AM	#4
Mathieu Ghekiere Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,195	But Rob, to capture, you have to put your NLE in interlaced, though? Because it isn't really progressive?

September 13th, 2005, 01:11 PM	#5
Kin Kwan Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 120	What NLE are you using? For Adobe Premiere, if you export your clip as "interlaced," it'll just spit out the video whereas "progressive" will try to deinterlace your clip. Since your video was recorded in frame mode and no deinterlacing is necessary, I suggest leaving it in "interlaced."

September 15th, 2005, 03:46 PM	#8
Kin Kwan Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 120	Marco, which export option are you using in Premiere Pro 1.5? When I go to File > Export Movie > Settings > Keyframe and Rendering, I only see the options "No fields (Progressive Scan), Upper Field First, and Lower Field First" and nothing about Interlaced. There's a "Deinterlace" check box, but if your footage is progressive, you shouldn't have to mess with that. My DV3000U has a pseudo progressive mode and I've always left the options at 'No fields (Progressive Scan)' and the 'Deinterlace' box unchecked when I export.

September 15th, 2005, 09:45 PM	#10
Kin Kwan Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 120	I just did a quick test by exporting one of my progressive clips with the 'Upper Field First' setting and the 'No Fields (Progressive Scan)' setting. It seems like 'No Fields (Progressive Scan)' is what you need. Run a test for yourself and you'll see what I mean. Last edited by Kin Kwan; September 15th, 2005 at 09:45 PM. Reason: Typos

September 16th, 2005, 05:45 PM	#11
Marco Wagner Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 1,043	Hey great, I'll give that a try tonight. Thanks a bunch! __________________ www.facebook.com/projectspecto

September 29th, 2005, 12:28 PM	#12
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,207	Interlaced NTSC DV is always lower field first. Lower field first. Lower field first. __________________ Interesting, if true. And interesting anyway.

September 29th, 2005, 02:04 PM	#13
Kin Kwan Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 120	Hugh, according to Marco, he's working on progressive footages which means there aren't any fields.

September 30th, 2005, 08:00 AM	#14
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,207	A ha! Of course. Then, when in progresive, the option of lower or upper should be shaded? __________________ Interesting, if true. And interesting anyway.

September 30th, 2005, 08:33 AM	#15
Kin Kwan Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 120	Nah, it's not shaded. Like I said in my 2nd to last post, you have to set it to "No Fields (Progressive Scan)."