No more zoom noise. Solution on FCP at DVinfo.net

Rickey Brillantes · August 21st, 2005, 12:27 PM

Anyone having a problem with zoom noise on there Xl1s can eliminate it in post using Final Cut Pro.

But you have to install the audio filter that comes with the package, it’s called Peak DV Digital Audio Editing Software for Final Cut Pro.

Once installed, go to the clip where there’s a hum noise, highlight it by clicking it, then go to Effects, audio filter and choose Hum Remover...ooala!! Noise is gone!!! These you can also use to remove the dampen plosive “P” sound that results from burst of wind hitting the on board microphone, or if you have noise in your tape mechanism it helps you eliminate it.

These use various frequencies that eliminates unwanted sound, actually these saves me money on buying the lightwave mini mount and wind muffs.

Stephen Finton · August 21st, 2005, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rickey Brillantes

Anyone having a problem with zoom noise on there Xl1s can eliminate it in post using Final Cut Pro.

But you have to install the audio filter that comes with the package, it’s called Peak DV Digital Audio Editing Software for Final Cut Pro.

Once installed, go to the clip where there’s a hum noise, highlight it by clicking it, then go to Effects, audio filter and choose Hum Remover...ooala!! Noise is gone!!! These you can also use to remove the dampen plosive “P” sound that results from burst of wind hitting the on board microphone, or if you have noise in your tape mechanism it helps you eliminate it.

These use various frequencies that eliminates unwanted sound, actually these saves me money on buying the lightwave mini mount and wind muffs.

You bought Final Cut Pro and you're worried about spending money on lightwave mini mount and wind muffs?

Mathieu Ghekiere · August 21st, 2005, 04:23 PM

I think he just meant it wasn't an additional cost, because he obviously already has his NLE to edit.
He didn't just buy the NLE just to get that noise rid of, he had his NLE to edit with, and one of its functions came in handy for eliminating the noise of the XL1s.
He was just sharing (valuable) advice for people who would have the same problems with it, and would by any chance have the same NLE.
Don't attack him for trying to help, he never said he 'was worried' to buy it, it just saves him money.

Best regards,

Greg Boston · August 21st, 2005, 04:42 PM

Rickey,

This function is also available in the open source software called Audacity. If you upgrade in the future to Final Cut Studio, you will get Soundtrack Pro which also has some good hum/noise/click/pop filters.

Although it's good that you have found out how to do this in post, the best plan is usually to keep it as clean as possible during acquisition. This way, you don't spend extra time (time=money) cleaning it up after the fact. The System Isolator and Mini-Mount will pay for themselves in a few jobs by saving you that clean-up step.

Those filters are meant to be 'rescue' filters and not part of your normal audio processing workflow.

regards,

=gb=

Henry Cho · August 21st, 2005, 06:36 PM

thanks for that greg. filters can make unusable audio usable (and they have saved me quite often), but it is a destructive process and quality of sound will suffer for it.

Rickey Brillantes · August 21st, 2005, 08:00 PM

Actually, I was doing a research in this forum regarding the zoom noise, if these is a normal for Xl1s or it was just only my gear.

When shooting, everytime I use the zoom I can hear a hum noise on my headphone, at first I did’nt bother thinking it woud’nt come out on the post, but when I was doing my edits in FCP, those humming noise really did show up and it bothered me cuz I only used the onboard mic of the Xl1s for audio, and don’t have any back-up.

And thanks for these forum you’ll always find answere’s here. I found out that these zoom noise is a real issue not only with Canon but for some other brand like Sony too.

I was already shopping for the lightwave mini mount, and the EQ Xl, ready to buy, (just got outbid in ebay) cuz’ base on my research that at list if not totally, it helps lessen the hmm motor noise.

Upon reading more post, I came across one topic mentioning Peak DV, but did’nt really elaborateon how that thing works. It came to my mind that I have that software, and was included in the box, so I dig it out and immediately installed it, and thank goodness hum noise is gone.

Being a member of these forum I would like to share this information to you, since most of us using the Xl1s share the same zoom noise problem. But you know what, despite having that issueI love my Xl1s an I won’t change these for anything, I like the color and the audio that it delivers, and I look very professional when Im shooting with it. Im just looking forward of buying me a 16x manual lens.

By the way thanks everyone for putting your inputs, c’mon add some more comment, that’s what these forums for.

Greg Boston · August 21st, 2005, 09:19 PM

Rickey,

Yes I know what you mean about having Peak DV. I had it with my prior version of FCP.

One thing to do with your XL1s is to loosen the mic clamp as much as possible without the mic actually falling out. This helps create a loose mechanical coupling to reduce, but not totally eliminate that zoom noise you speak of. I am familiar with the problem because I have an XL-1. I was fortunate enough to buy a second hand System Isolator right here on our classified section. Makes a lot of difference. You will also gain a second benefit from the System Isolator in that it moves your viewfinder forward and places more of the camera weight towards the rear. This makes it feel more balanced on your shoulder.

-gb-

Rickey Brillantes · August 21st, 2005, 09:53 PM

Greg,

Thanks Greg for giving your opinion on the system isolator, your right I think I should'nt give up on pursuing that thing, and also the loosening of the clamp of the mike thats a good advice.

By the way you have a good piece of gear, does Canon and Panasonic work well side by side, color matching I mean? do yo have to white balance them first before production to get a close match?

Greg Boston · August 21st, 2005, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rickey Brillantes

Greg,

Thanks Greg for giving your opinion on the system isolator, your right I think I should'nt give up on pursuing that thing, and also the loosening of the clamp of the mike thats a good advice.

By the way you have a good piece of gear, does Canon and Panasonic work well side by side, color matching I mean? do yo have to white balance them first before production to get a close match?

The Panasonic 953 was used a couple years ago to tape a bicycle race along side a couple of XL1s cameras. Of course, they were all wb'd to daylight and the Panasonic footage intercut with the Canon footage very well. You'd be hard pressed to tell the difference. The main limitation of the Panasonic is the 1/6th chips are in need of more light than the Canon.

-gb-

Stephen Finton · August 22nd, 2005, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mathieu Ghekiere

I think he just meant it wasn't an additional cost, because he obviously already has his NLE to edit.
He didn't just buy the NLE just to get that noise rid of, he had his NLE to edit with, and one of its functions came in handy for eliminating the noise of the XL1s.
He was just sharing (valuable) advice for people who would have the same problems with it, and would by any chance have the same NLE.
Don't attack him for trying to help, he never said he 'was worried' to buy it, it just saves him money.

Best regards,

I wasn't attacking him. I was concerned.

Mathieu Ghekiere · August 22nd, 2005, 08:14 AM

In that case, excuse me for my little bit over-the-top reaction.

Henry Cho · August 22nd, 2005, 08:19 AM

i have both the system isolator and minimount. they are invaluable accessories, but not miracle workers. motor noise will be cut down, but will still be audible in very quiet environments. if you're really concerned with capturing high quality sound, there's really no replacement for running your audio off-camera as close to your sound source as possible.

Les Wilson · August 26th, 2005, 03:36 PM

I bought the minimount to deal with the zoom motor noise but find it does little (even loose). For some reason, I thought it would do double duty on a boompole but the cost of converting it to a boom pole mount was as much or more as the original unit.

I'm finding it harder and harder to get a good deal on ebay for video gear. seems there's folks willing to buy used for nearly same price as new. So, be patient.

August 21st, 2005, 12:27 PM	#1
Rickey Brillantes Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ontario, California Posts: 309	No more zoom noise. Solution on FCP Anyone having a problem with zoom noise on there Xl1s can eliminate it in post using Final Cut Pro. But you have to install the audio filter that comes with the package, it’s called Peak DV Digital Audio Editing Software for Final Cut Pro. Once installed, go to the clip where there’s a hum noise, highlight it by clicking it, then go to Effects, audio filter and choose Hum Remover...ooala!! Noise is gone!!! These you can also use to remove the dampen plosive “P” sound that results from burst of wind hitting the on board microphone, or if you have noise in your tape mechanism it helps you eliminate it. These use various frequencies that eliminates unwanted sound, actually these saves me money on buying the lightwave mini mount and wind muffs.

August 21st, 2005, 04:23 PM	#3
Mathieu Ghekiere Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,195	I think he just meant it wasn't an additional cost, because he obviously already has his NLE to edit. He didn't just buy the NLE just to get that noise rid of, he had his NLE to edit with, and one of its functions came in handy for eliminating the noise of the XL1s. He was just sharing (valuable) advice for people who would have the same problems with it, and would by any chance have the same NLE. Don't attack him for trying to help, he never said he 'was worried' to buy it, it just saves him money. Best regards,

August 21st, 2005, 04:42 PM	#4
Greg Boston Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DFW area, TX Posts: 6,117 Images: 1	Rickey, This function is also available in the open source software called Audacity. If you upgrade in the future to Final Cut Studio, you will get Soundtrack Pro which also has some good hum/noise/click/pop filters. Although it's good that you have found out how to do this in post, the best plan is usually to keep it as clean as possible during acquisition. This way, you don't spend extra time (time=money) cleaning it up after the fact. The System Isolator and Mini-Mount will pay for themselves in a few jobs by saving you that clean-up step. Those filters are meant to be 'rescue' filters and not part of your normal audio processing workflow. regards, =gb=

August 21st, 2005, 06:36 PM	#5
Henry Cho Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 516	thanks for that greg. filters can make unusable audio usable (and they have saved me quite often), but it is a destructive process and quality of sound will suffer for it.

August 21st, 2005, 08:00 PM	#6
Rickey Brillantes Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ontario, California Posts: 309	Actually, I was doing a research in this forum regarding the zoom noise, if these is a normal for Xl1s or it was just only my gear. When shooting, everytime I use the zoom I can hear a hum noise on my headphone, at first I did’nt bother thinking it woud’nt come out on the post, but when I was doing my edits in FCP, those humming noise really did show up and it bothered me cuz I only used the onboard mic of the Xl1s for audio, and don’t have any back-up. And thanks for these forum you’ll always find answere’s here. I found out that these zoom noise is a real issue not only with Canon but for some other brand like Sony too. I was already shopping for the lightwave mini mount, and the EQ Xl, ready to buy, (just got outbid in ebay) cuz’ base on my research that at list if not totally, it helps lessen the hmm motor noise. Upon reading more post, I came across one topic mentioning Peak DV, but did’nt really elaborateon how that thing works. It came to my mind that I have that software, and was included in the box, so I dig it out and immediately installed it, and thank goodness hum noise is gone. Being a member of these forum I would like to share this information to you, since most of us using the Xl1s share the same zoom noise problem. But you know what, despite having that issueI love my Xl1s an I won’t change these for anything, I like the color and the audio that it delivers, and I look very professional when Im shooting with it. Im just looking forward of buying me a 16x manual lens. By the way thanks everyone for putting your inputs, c’mon add some more comment, that’s what these forums for.

August 21st, 2005, 09:19 PM	#7
Greg Boston Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DFW area, TX Posts: 6,117 Images: 1	Rickey, Yes I know what you mean about having Peak DV. I had it with my prior version of FCP. One thing to do with your XL1s is to loosen the mic clamp as much as possible without the mic actually falling out. This helps create a loose mechanical coupling to reduce, but not totally eliminate that zoom noise you speak of. I am familiar with the problem because I have an XL-1. I was fortunate enough to buy a second hand System Isolator right here on our classified section. Makes a lot of difference. You will also gain a second benefit from the System Isolator in that it moves your viewfinder forward and places more of the camera weight towards the rear. This makes it feel more balanced on your shoulder. -gb-

August 21st, 2005, 09:53 PM	#8
Rickey Brillantes Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ontario, California Posts: 309	Greg, Thanks Greg for giving your opinion on the system isolator, your right I think I should'nt give up on pursuing that thing, and also the loosening of the clamp of the mike thats a good advice. By the way you have a good piece of gear, does Canon and Panasonic work well side by side, color matching I mean? do yo have to white balance them first before production to get a close match?

August 22nd, 2005, 08:14 AM	#11
Mathieu Ghekiere Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,195	In that case, excuse me for my little bit over-the-top reaction.

August 22nd, 2005, 08:19 AM	#12
Henry Cho Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 516	i have both the system isolator and minimount. they are invaluable accessories, but not miracle workers. motor noise will be cut down, but will still be audible in very quiet environments. if you're really concerned with capturing high quality sound, there's really no replacement for running your audio off-camera as close to your sound source as possible.

August 26th, 2005, 03:36 PM	#13
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	I bought the minimount to deal with the zoom motor noise but find it does little (even loose). For some reason, I thought it would do double duty on a boompole but the cost of converting it to a boom pole mount was as much or more as the original unit. I'm finding it harder and harder to get a good deal on ebay for video gear. seems there's folks willing to buy used for nearly same price as new. So, be patient.