problems with xl-1s and tapes, won't work on sony dsr-45 at DVinfo.net

Torrey C. Harris · May 15th, 2005, 09:07 AM

I filmed a lot of stuff with my xl-1s, with the panasonic ay-dvm63mq tapes. when i try to play them in a sony dsr-45 deck it skips and fragments. I then pull it out and it plays fine in the camera. i tried clean the deck and that doen't help. i put other tapes filmed with other canon xl-1s in it and it plays fine

any answers would be appreciated

torrey
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Waldemar Winkler · May 15th, 2005, 12:05 PM

I experience a similar issue with tapes recorded on my XL1s and rying to play them back on my GL1. The audio has a tendency to break up. I believe my XL1s needs a transport system and tape head alignment.

Brad Richmond · May 15th, 2005, 08:32 PM

Torrey,

This is just a thought, but something to consider.

You might want to make a dub of the tapes in question before sending the camera off. Use the XL1s (the camera they were shot with) to play them and firewire to your deck or another camera for the dub.

Once the original camera is realigned, it may not be able to play the original tapes since they are tracked to that camera's alignment at the time of recording.

I hope this makes some sense.

Good luck!

Jack Smith · May 15th, 2005, 10:24 PM

Man is that a good suggestion!

Ash Greyson · June 1st, 2005, 03:17 PM

Correct, you need to dub everything you shot or it will be lost forever. This is a VERY common issue among ALL DV cameras. Most people never notice because they are shooting/playing back from the same camera. If you get your camera repaired these tapes will be lost. I had this happen in the middle of a documentary to about 40 tapes. I just dubbed them off before I had the camera repaired... no probs...

ash =o)

Pau Mezquita · December 2nd, 2005, 05:51 PM

Is it possible to dub to hard disk/DVD without loss of quality and then eventually put it back to tape? I'm asking this because as long as tapes and heads are involved, you would need to back up to the infinity (how can you tell that the camcorder you're using for backups has aligned heads)?

Brad Richmond · December 2nd, 2005, 07:07 PM

[QUOTE=Torrey C. Harris]Is it possible to dub to hard disk/DVD without loss of quality and then eventually put it back to tape? I'm asking this because as long as tapes and heads are involved, you would need to back up to the infinity (how can you tell that the camcorder you're using for backups has aligned heads)?

Torrey,

If it won't play in the DSR-45, you should probably dub them from the XL1-s. It's the only way to be sure that you will be able to save that video once the camera has been repaired.

To my knowledge, you will suffer some loss if you dub to DVD, you are adding additional compression. There will also be extra hoops to jump through if you want to move that video into your editing program.

I don't think that you will lose much quality if you firewire to harddrive, as long as you are capturing in native format. You can then output to DVD as a data file, and that should be an exact copy with no additional loss...digital zeros and ones. Later you can import it back into your hard drive, then to your editing program for post production.

I am certainly not an expert, and invite anyone to point out any flaws in my suggestions.

Brad

May 15th, 2005, 09:07 AM	#1
Torrey C. Harris Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Holden,La Posts: 246	problems with xl-1s and tapes, won't work on sony dsr-45 I filmed a lot of stuff with my xl-1s, with the panasonic ay-dvm63mq tapes. when i try to play them in a sony dsr-45 deck it skips and fragments. I then pull it out and it plays fine in the camera. i tried clean the deck and that doen't help. i put other tapes filmed with other canon xl-1s in it and it plays fine any answers would be appreciated torrey 1-225-315-6677 __________________ Take a kid hunting or fishing and you won't have to hunt for him or her later on in life. The outdoors were created to enjoy not look at through a glass window.

May 15th, 2005, 12:05 PM	#2
Waldemar Winkler Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Durango, Colorado, USA Posts: 711	I experience a similar issue with tapes recorded on my XL1s and rying to play them back on my GL1. The audio has a tendency to break up. I believe my XL1s needs a transport system and tape head alignment. __________________ Waldemar

May 15th, 2005, 08:32 PM	#3
Brad Richmond Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Overland Park, KS Posts: 81	Torrey, This is just a thought, but something to consider. You might want to make a dub of the tapes in question before sending the camera off. Use the XL1s (the camera they were shot with) to play them and firewire to your deck or another camera for the dub. Once the original camera is realigned, it may not be able to play the original tapes since they are tracked to that camera's alignment at the time of recording. I hope this makes some sense. Good luck! __________________ Brad Richmond Doubledogs Video Overland Park, KS www.doubledogsvideo.com video@doubledogs.com

December 2nd, 2005, 07:07 PM	#7
Brad Richmond Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Overland Park, KS Posts: 81	[QUOTE=Torrey C. Harris]Is it possible to dub to hard disk/DVD without loss of quality and then eventually put it back to tape? I'm asking this because as long as tapes and heads are involved, you would need to back up to the infinity (how can you tell that the camcorder you're using for backups has aligned heads)? Torrey, If it won't play in the DSR-45, you should probably dub them from the XL1-s. It's the only way to be sure that you will be able to save that video once the camera has been repaired. To my knowledge, you will suffer some loss if you dub to DVD, you are adding additional compression. There will also be extra hoops to jump through if you want to move that video into your editing program. I don't think that you will lose much quality if you firewire to harddrive, as long as you are capturing in native format. You can then output to DVD as a data file, and that should be an exact copy with no additional loss...digital zeros and ones. Later you can import it back into your hard drive, then to your editing program for post production. I am certainly not an expert, and invite anyone to point out any flaws in my suggestions. Brad __________________ Brad Richmond Doubledogs Video Overland Park, KS www.doubledogsvideo.com video@doubledogs.com

May 15th, 2005, 10:24 PM	#4
Jack Smith Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ontario Posts: 445	Man is that a good suggestion!

June 1st, 2005, 03:17 PM	#5
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	Correct, you need to dub everything you shot or it will be lost forever. This is a VERY common issue among ALL DV cameras. Most people never notice because they are shooting/playing back from the same camera. If you get your camera repaired these tapes will be lost. I had this happen in the middle of a documentary to about 40 tapes. I just dubbed them off before I had the camera repaired... no probs... ash =o)

December 2nd, 2005, 05:51 PM	#6
Pau Mezquita Tourist Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 3	Is it possible to dub to hard disk/DVD without loss of quality and then eventually put it back to tape? I'm asking this because as long as tapes and heads are involved, you would need to back up to the infinity (how can you tell that the camcorder you're using for backups has aligned heads)?