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October 13th, 2002, 01:37 PM

I considering the purchase of an XL-1s, since it has been a while since this camera system was released I have to wonder when the successor will arrive and if it is worth waiting. I know the interval between the last releases was fairly long. Any guesses/insights?

B. Moore · October 13th, 2002, 05:35 PM

it's only been a little over a year, i think you have a bout a 2.5 year wait.

Bruce

Jeff Donald · October 13th, 2002, 07:10 PM

I don't think Canon can afford to wait that long. The Panasonic DVX100 will have captured too large of a market share in that time frame. I think Canon will announce and possibly show a camera at PMA or NAB. It will ship by next summer. The XL1s was not a total replacement and the tooling and R & D has all ready been recovered. They will move faster than their normal product development time frame to preserve market share. My guess is they are working on it right now. How do I know this? I don't, pure guess work on my part.

Jeff

Barry Goyette · October 13th, 2002, 07:26 PM

I agree, Since the xl1s uses panasonic chips, it makes sense that an upgrade to the xl series will come a soon as panasonic makes the 1/3inch 410k chips available, I think next summer is a pretty safe bet.

Barry

Don Berube · October 14th, 2002, 02:52 AM

I'd like to see CANON develop their own chips for the next round. Certainly, Canon is quite capable of doing so, as seen with the new EOS 1DS. In my view, even if and when they do introduce a new model, the XL1S will still be used by those who desire that particular XL1S "look". Now that the majority of the market is screaming for higher definition and higher detail with better low-light capability, it makes sense to me that that part of the market shouldn't be ignored. Personally, I would like to see a larger image plane, using larger "megapixel" 16:9 native CCD's, at least 1/2". Yes, that would call for new lenses due to the larger chip size, however, a manual/ servo lens with larger 16:9 native chips and true progressive scan would do it for me.

Right now, I am still very much happy with what I can do with the XL1S and the manual/ servo lens.

B. Moore · October 14th, 2002, 12:24 PM

Jeff,
I hope you're right

Bruce

Bill Ravens · April 27th, 2003, 06:50 PM

Rumor: The XL2 will be released around august....cost $5K. It will use existing canon XL1 lenses and incorporate 2nd gen 24p encoding....supposedly better than the Panny....and it has on-board XLR connectors

Maya Taylor · April 27th, 2003, 08:34 PM

the rumor is right.... but you forgot to mention that it's August 2004 that it will be released.....not this year!

Dylan Couper · April 27th, 2003, 10:43 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Maya Taylor : the rumor is right.... but you forgot to mention that it's August 2004 that it will be released.....not this year! -->>>

Damn.

Thanks for getting my hopes up Bill! :P

Brad Simmons · April 27th, 2003, 11:19 PM

Is that 5k for just the base camera? No viewfinder, no autolens?

Dylan Couper · April 28th, 2003, 05:51 PM

$5k would most likely include a VF and lens. Any more than that and they are pricing themselves out of their target range, unless they plan on delivering something to take on the Sony DSR-350 or JVC DV5000.

Jeff Donald · April 28th, 2003, 06:27 PM

The $5,000 might be manufacturers suggested list price. Street price and MAP would be considerably less once the initial demand for the product wears and the cycle matures (camera gets old).

John Threat · April 30th, 2003, 03:34 AM

That would roll over the ma-200 and ma-100 and beachtek investments , except for the BNC port on the Ma-200.

24p will be welcome, hopefully they wont add a goofy fold out LCd that drains power , breaks easily, and does squat for framing a shot.

April 30th, 2003, 10:07 PM

I have two of them on my XL-1s... one for video and one for audios. Got 'em at Radio Shack for $4bucks each. They plug right into my RCA connectors. I have to have them because I dump news footage off to satellite trucks and they take BNC connectors.

DVSHOOTER · May 3rd, 2003, 07:27 AM

Somebody posted this on another forum:

"Tony Hawk in Vancouver with a XL-2 maybe
05/02/03 07:06 PM

Well this is a wierd one, I dont know if you guys know who tony hawk is but he is an Xtreme Sports Icon of some sort, Anyways, he is up here on some sort of tour, and I went out on assignment and saw someone else filming him with a XL1- with a flipout display.... I swear to god i almost fainted. The camera had no markings whatsover, I mean not even on the buttons, and was all flat black like someone spray painted it, so I have no idea what it was, It was identical to the XL1 in shape, but it had a flip out screen. Any ideaS? I highly doubt that if Canon was "alpha beta testing" it they would do it at a public event, unless maybe some Hong Kong company copied the camera?

Man I swear I peed myslelf a little... first glance I thought it was a xl-2! "

October 13th, 2002, 01:37 PM	#1
ppbvideo Posts: n/a	Successor to the XL-1s? I considering the purchase of an XL-1s, since it has been a while since this camera system was released I have to wonder when the successor will arrive and if it is worth waiting. I know the interval between the last releases was fairly long. Any guesses/insights?

October 14th, 2002, 02:52 AM	#5
Don Berube Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Boston, MA (travel frequently) Posts: 837	I'd like to see CANON develop their own chips for the next round. Certainly, Canon is quite capable of doing so, as seen with the new EOS 1DS. In my view, even if and when they do introduce a new model, the XL1S will still be used by those who desire that particular XL1S "look". Now that the majority of the market is screaming for higher definition and higher detail with better low-light capability, it makes sense to me that that part of the market shouldn't be ignored. Personally, I would like to see a larger image plane, using larger "megapixel" 16:9 native CCD's, at least 1/2". Yes, that would call for new lenses due to the larger chip size, however, a manual/ servo lens with larger 16:9 native chips and true progressive scan would do it for me. Right now, I am still very much happy with what I can do with the XL1S and the manual/ servo lens. __________________ DONALD BERUBE - noisybrain. Productions, LLC Director Of Photography/ Producer/ Consultant http://noisybrain.com/donbio.html CREATE and NETWORK with http://www.bosfcpug.org and also http://fcpugnetwork.org

April 27th, 2003, 10:43 PM	#9
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	<<<-- Originally posted by Maya Taylor : the rumor is right.... but you forgot to mention that it's August 2004 that it will be released.....not this year! -->>> Damn. Thanks for getting my hopes up Bill! :P __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

April 28th, 2003, 05:51 PM	#11
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	$5k would most likely include a VF and lens. Any more than that and they are pricing themselves out of their target range, unless they plan on delivering something to take on the Sony DSR-350 or JVC DV5000. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

April 28th, 2003, 06:27 PM	#12
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	The $5,000 might be manufacturers suggested list price. Street price and MAP would be considerably less once the initial demand for the product wears and the cycle matures (camera gets old). __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 13th, 2002, 05:35 PM	#2
B. Moore Major Player Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 181	it's only been a little over a year, i think you have a bout a 2.5 year wait. Bruce

October 13th, 2002, 07:10 PM	#3
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	I don't think Canon can afford to wait that long. The Panasonic DVX100 will have captured too large of a market share in that time frame. I think Canon will announce and possibly show a camera at PMA or NAB. It will ship by next summer. The XL1s was not a total replacement and the tooling and R & D has all ready been recovered. They will move faster than their normal product development time frame to preserve market share. My guess is they are working on it right now. How do I know this? I don't, pure guess work on my part. Jeff

October 13th, 2002, 07:26 PM	#4
Barry Goyette Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: San Luis Obispo CA Posts: 1,195	I agree, Since the xl1s uses panasonic chips, it makes sense that an upgrade to the xl series will come a soon as panasonic makes the 1/3inch 410k chips available, I think next summer is a pretty safe bet. Barry

October 14th, 2002, 12:24 PM	#6
B. Moore Major Player Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 181	Jeff, I hope you're right Bruce

April 27th, 2003, 06:50 PM	#7
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Rumor: The XL2 will be released around august....cost $5K. It will use existing canon XL1 lenses and incorporate 2nd gen 24p encoding....supposedly better than the Panny....and it has on-board XLR connectors

April 27th, 2003, 08:34 PM	#8
Maya Taylor New Boot Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 21	the rumor is right.... but you forgot to mention that it's August 2004 that it will be released.....not this year!

April 27th, 2003, 11:19 PM	#10
Brad Simmons Major Player Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Washington DC Posts: 304	Is that 5k for just the base camera? No viewfinder, no autolens?

April 30th, 2003, 03:34 AM	#13
John Threat Major Player Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York Posts: 322	That would roll over the ma-200 and ma-100 and beachtek investments , except for the BNC port on the Ma-200. 24p will be welcome, hopefully they wont add a goofy fold out LCd that drains power , breaks easily, and does squat for framing a shot.

April 30th, 2003, 10:07 PM	#14
Guest Posts: n/a	BNC Ports I have two of them on my XL-1s... one for video and one for audios. Got 'em at Radio Shack for $4bucks each. They plug right into my RCA connectors. I have to have them because I dump news footage off to satellite trucks and they take BNC connectors.

May 3rd, 2003, 07:27 AM	#15
DVSHOOTER New Boot Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 9	Tony Hawk in Vancouver with a XL-2 maybe Somebody posted this on another forum: "Tony Hawk in Vancouver with a XL-2 maybe 05/02/03 07:06 PM Well this is a wierd one, I dont know if you guys know who tony hawk is but he is an Xtreme Sports Icon of some sort, Anyways, he is up here on some sort of tour, and I went out on assignment and saw someone else filming him with a XL1- with a flipout display.... I swear to god i almost fainted. The camera had no markings whatsover, I mean not even on the buttons, and was all flat black like someone spray painted it, so I have no idea what it was, It was identical to the XL1 in shape, but it had a flip out screen. Any ideaS? I highly doubt that if Canon was "alpha beta testing" it they would do it at a public event, unless maybe some Hong Kong company copied the camera? Man I swear I peed myslelf a little... first glance I thought it was a xl-2! "