What's in the standard XL1S package at DVinfo.net

Kelly Hoggard · October 8th, 2002, 08:09 PM

I am planning on buying an XL1S within the month. I have seen many "package" deals on the web that include cases, tripods, etc. What comes in the "standard box" for an XL1S?? I am particularly interested in the battery and charger. Will these be accessories once I get the camera? Do I have to be specific when I order about what I want with it? Please help.

Don Berube · October 8th, 2002, 08:33 PM

Hi Kelly,

The standard "classic configuration' for the XL1S includes the XL1S body with lens opening cap, 16X IS II (new version) lens with soft vinyl case, dust cap and lens hood and front lens cap, color EVF (viewfinder), stereo mic with foam windscreen, SP100 stock shoulder mount, CA910 AC to DC Compact Power Adaptor/ battery charger, DC900 DC Coupler "battery eliminator", BP930 "2 hour battery", WL-D3000 Wireless Remote Control with two "AA" batteries, a short length S-150 S-video cable, a short length STV-100 Stereo Audio/ composite video cable, SS-1000 "Canon" shoulder strap,and a neat little Lithium button battery that goes inside the XL1S. Don't forget the manual and registration/ service & warranty cards.

- don

Chris Hurd · October 8th, 2002, 10:15 PM

Hi Kelly,

Please consider making your purchase from one of our Community Sponsors, listed at www.dvinfo.net/sponsors. They are authorized Canon dealers and you will be assured of getting everything in the basic kit which Don kindly listed above, no questions asked.

Beware especially of unscrupulous "lowball" scams which lure you in with an unbelievably low price, only to charge you an enormous extra amount for the package components which should have been included in the first place. See the "where to buy" thread at http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22 for more info about this. Hope this helps,

Mike Butler · October 9th, 2002, 07:14 PM

Sounds like Chris is talking about Broadway Photo with their "bait'n'switch" tactics.

Chris Simmons · October 9th, 2002, 08:01 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Don Berube : Hi Kelly,

...16X IS II (new version) lens...-->>>

Do you mean a newer version of the original 16X IS II? Or is it the original 16X IS II and "new" means not the 16X IS I?

Don Berube · October 9th, 2002, 08:12 PM

I was referring to the IS II lens over the older lens.

Personally, I prefer to use the manual lens, I use manual everything.

Kelly Hoggard · October 9th, 2002, 08:15 PM

I just traded a few e-mails with a guy that gave me some great advice. He said that coosing a manual lense over the new 16x II is really where it's at. I can understand his reasoning. Although I would loose the stabilizer option, the focus ring and iris control would be much like the professional cameras I have been using in the ENG world. Anybody got any opinions on the subject?

Don Berube · October 9th, 2002, 08:25 PM

Hi Kelly,

I would recommend going manual as well. I prefer using the manual lens and like you, that is the type of lens I am used to using.

The key then is to buy what you need from the get go, and I am not sure if any reseller will sell you just the body, manual/ servo lens, color or B&W EVF, shoulder mount of your choice, etc. What I mean is some resellers will sell just the "classic configuration" and perhaps order you the manual/ servo lens on top of that.

I do know that ZGC will sell you what you need from the get go, Mizell at ZGC is very responsive and helpful in this regard. www.zgc.com

Kelly Hoggard · October 9th, 2002, 08:36 PM

Thanks Don,
You are the second person that has told me about ZGC. That's exactly what I will be doing. Body only, manual 16x, extra battery (BP-945), UV filter, raincover-and I think I'll be ready to go. Hopefully I can do it for around $3500 or am I misleading myself? Thanks again.

Mike Butler · October 10th, 2002, 08:19 AM

ZGC actually advertises packages with manual lens and body-only kits, you have to call them for a price. They also carried PAL versions and most likely will again when a PAL version of the XL1S comes out.

B&H (my usual camera store) sells the body alone for $2749 and a 14:1 manual lens for $949 or a 16:1 FOR $1349. You still need a viewfinder, and can choose a B/W tube or color LCD.

If your local camera shops are anything like what's around me, you will walk in knowing more than they do, and you'll leave in frustration and call one of the above.

Hey, I would have liked to get the manual lens on mine too, but I bought the XL used on eBay and took what I could find. But I do like the stabilizer for run-n-gun work, so it's not all bad.

Don Berube · October 10th, 2002, 10:35 AM

I love the quality of the older Canon 14X Full Manual lens and the fact that it had a real aperture ring on the lens, completely analog style. However, it does not have the built-in two stages of Neutral Density that the newer 16X Manual/ Servo lens does. You will most likely prefer the newer 16X M/S lens because of the ND and the fact that you also get switchable on/ off servo control. This and the fact that this lens is free of any focus issues found on the IS II lens overrides the lack of IS which is found on the IS II lens.

- don

Andrew Petrie · October 10th, 2002, 02:40 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by the graphics guy :
If your local camera shops are anything like what's around me, you will walk in knowing more than they do, and you'll leave in frustration and call one of the above.
-->>>

Ain't that the truth. Just drones, all empoyees are drones. :)

Don Berube · October 10th, 2002, 04:02 PM

:Ain't that the truth. Just drones, all empoyees are drones. :)

drones???

Do you think that is what George Lucas calls his employees?

hehehe

Kelly Hoggard · October 10th, 2002, 05:54 PM

I looked on the ZGC website and found body, manual lense(16X), color EVF for $4240. Man was I hoping for a lower price. I know I know, you get what you pay for--someone please talk me out of going to e-bay and rolling the dice (although I have had decent success with e-bay). If anyone knows how to get this setup for around 3500 please let me know. Is it too obvious that I'm cheap?!?
ZGC did offer me a small discount when I contacted them with my wish list. Seems like a fair bunch of folks.

Chris Hurd · October 10th, 2002, 07:04 PM

Hi Kelly,

Be very careful with Ebay... especially with regard to buying cameras there, you'll find a lot of rip-off artists who like to prey on innocent folks. We have a couple of good threads about buying on Ebay, including Dylan Couper's excellent topic "How to Not Get Scammed on Ebay"

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2954
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2724

With the XL1S body and 16x manual lens, you must expect to pay a higher price and the quote provided by our sponsor ZGC is not only realistic but very fair. Frankly, I don't think you can get this package for under that unless you're willing to buy used.

October 8th, 2002, 08:09 PM	#1
Kelly Hoggard Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 37	What's in the standard XL1S package I am planning on buying an XL1S within the month. I have seen many "package" deals on the web that include cases, tripods, etc. What comes in the "standard box" for an XL1S?? I am particularly interested in the battery and charger. Will these be accessories once I get the camera? Do I have to be specific when I order about what I want with it? Please help.

October 8th, 2002, 08:33 PM	#2
Don Berube Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Boston, MA (travel frequently) Posts: 837	Hi Kelly, The standard "classic configuration' for the XL1S includes the XL1S body with lens opening cap, 16X IS II (new version) lens with soft vinyl case, dust cap and lens hood and front lens cap, color EVF (viewfinder), stereo mic with foam windscreen, SP100 stock shoulder mount, CA910 AC to DC Compact Power Adaptor/ battery charger, DC900 DC Coupler "battery eliminator", BP930 "2 hour battery", WL-D3000 Wireless Remote Control with two "AA" batteries, a short length S-150 S-video cable, a short length STV-100 Stereo Audio/ composite video cable, SS-1000 "Canon" shoulder strap,and a neat little Lithium button battery that goes inside the XL1S. Don't forget the manual and registration/ service & warranty cards. - don __________________ DONALD BERUBE - noisybrain. Productions, LLC Director Of Photography/ Producer/ Consultant http://noisybrain.com/donbio.html CREATE and NETWORK with http://www.bosfcpug.org and also http://fcpugnetwork.org

October 8th, 2002, 10:15 PM	#3
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Hi Kelly, Please consider making your purchase from one of our Community Sponsors, listed at www.dvinfo.net/sponsors. They are authorized Canon dealers and you will be assured of getting everything in the basic kit which Don kindly listed above, no questions asked. Beware especially of unscrupulous "lowball" scams which lure you in with an unbelievably low price, only to charge you an enormous extra amount for the package components which should have been included in the first place. See the "where to buy" thread at http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22 for more info about this. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

October 9th, 2002, 07:14 PM	#4
Mike Butler Machinist Mate Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Southern Connecticut Posts: 644	Sounds like Chris is talking about Broadway Photo with their "bait'n'switch" tactics. __________________ I ain't straight outta Compton, I'm straight out the trailer. Cuss like a sailor, drink like a Mc. My only words of wisdom are just, "Radio Edit."

October 9th, 2002, 08:12 PM	#6
Don Berube Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Boston, MA (travel frequently) Posts: 837	I was referring to the IS II lens over the older lens. Personally, I prefer to use the manual lens, I use manual everything. __________________ DONALD BERUBE - noisybrain. Productions, LLC Director Of Photography/ Producer/ Consultant http://noisybrain.com/donbio.html CREATE and NETWORK with http://www.bosfcpug.org and also http://fcpugnetwork.org

October 9th, 2002, 08:01 PM	#5
Chris Simmons Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 53	<<<-- Originally posted by Don Berube : Hi Kelly, ...16X IS II (new version) lens...-->>> Do you mean a newer version of the original 16X IS II? Or is it the original 16X IS II and "new" means not the 16X IS I?

October 9th, 2002, 08:15 PM	#7
Kelly Hoggard Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 37	I just traded a few e-mails with a guy that gave me some great advice. He said that coosing a manual lense over the new 16x II is really where it's at. I can understand his reasoning. Although I would loose the stabilizer option, the focus ring and iris control would be much like the professional cameras I have been using in the ENG world. Anybody got any opinions on the subject?

October 9th, 2002, 08:25 PM	#8
Don Berube Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Boston, MA (travel frequently) Posts: 837	Hi Kelly, I would recommend going manual as well. I prefer using the manual lens and like you, that is the type of lens I am used to using. The key then is to buy what you need from the get go, and I am not sure if any reseller will sell you just the body, manual/ servo lens, color or B&W EVF, shoulder mount of your choice, etc. What I mean is some resellers will sell just the "classic configuration" and perhaps order you the manual/ servo lens on top of that. I do know that ZGC will sell you what you need from the get go, Mizell at ZGC is very responsive and helpful in this regard. www.zgc.com __________________ DONALD BERUBE - noisybrain. Productions, LLC Director Of Photography/ Producer/ Consultant http://noisybrain.com/donbio.html CREATE and NETWORK with http://www.bosfcpug.org and also http://fcpugnetwork.org

October 9th, 2002, 08:36 PM	#9
Kelly Hoggard Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 37	Thanks Don, You are the second person that has told me about ZGC. That's exactly what I will be doing. Body only, manual 16x, extra battery (BP-945), UV filter, raincover-and I think I'll be ready to go. Hopefully I can do it for around $3500 or am I misleading myself? Thanks again.

October 10th, 2002, 08:19 AM	#10
Mike Butler Machinist Mate Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Southern Connecticut Posts: 644	ZGC actually advertises packages with manual lens and body-only kits, you have to call them for a price. They also carried PAL versions and most likely will again when a PAL version of the XL1S comes out. B&H (my usual camera store) sells the body alone for $2749 and a 14:1 manual lens for $949 or a 16:1 FOR $1349. You still need a viewfinder, and can choose a B/W tube or color LCD. If your local camera shops are anything like what's around me, you will walk in knowing more than they do, and you'll leave in frustration and call one of the above. Hey, I would have liked to get the manual lens on mine too, but I bought the XL used on eBay and took what I could find. But I do like the stabilizer for run-n-gun work, so it's not all bad. __________________ I ain't straight outta Compton, I'm straight out the trailer. Cuss like a sailor, drink like a Mc. My only words of wisdom are just, "Radio Edit."

October 10th, 2002, 10:35 AM	#11
Don Berube Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Boston, MA (travel frequently) Posts: 837	I love the quality of the older Canon 14X Full Manual lens and the fact that it had a real aperture ring on the lens, completely analog style. However, it does not have the built-in two stages of Neutral Density that the newer 16X Manual/ Servo lens does. You will most likely prefer the newer 16X M/S lens because of the ND and the fact that you also get switchable on/ off servo control. This and the fact that this lens is free of any focus issues found on the IS II lens overrides the lack of IS which is found on the IS II lens. - don __________________ DONALD BERUBE - noisybrain. Productions, LLC Director Of Photography/ Producer/ Consultant http://noisybrain.com/donbio.html CREATE and NETWORK with http://www.bosfcpug.org and also http://fcpugnetwork.org

October 10th, 2002, 02:40 PM	#12
Andrew Petrie Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 484	<<<-- Originally posted by the graphics guy : If your local camera shops are anything like what's around me, you will walk in knowing more than they do, and you'll leave in frustration and call one of the above. -->>> Ain't that the truth. Just drones, all empoyees are drones. :) __________________ Andrew \| Canon XL1s, ME66, Vinten Vision 3, GlideCam V16 (for sale!)

October 10th, 2002, 04:02 PM	#13
Don Berube Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Boston, MA (travel frequently) Posts: 837	:Ain't that the truth. Just drones, all empoyees are drones. :) drones??? Do you think that is what George Lucas calls his employees? hehehe __________________ DONALD BERUBE - noisybrain. Productions, LLC Director Of Photography/ Producer/ Consultant http://noisybrain.com/donbio.html CREATE and NETWORK with http://www.bosfcpug.org and also http://fcpugnetwork.org

October 10th, 2002, 05:54 PM	#14
Kelly Hoggard Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 37	I looked on the ZGC website and found body, manual lense(16X), color EVF for $4240. Man was I hoping for a lower price. I know I know, you get what you pay for--someone please talk me out of going to e-bay and rolling the dice (although I have had decent success with e-bay). If anyone knows how to get this setup for around 3500 please let me know. Is it too obvious that I'm cheap?!? ZGC did offer me a small discount when I contacted them with my wish list. Seems like a fair bunch of folks.

October 10th, 2002, 07:04 PM	#15
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Hi Kelly, Be very careful with Ebay... especially with regard to buying cameras there, you'll find a lot of rip-off artists who like to prey on innocent folks. We have a couple of good threads about buying on Ebay, including Dylan Couper's excellent topic "How to Not Get Scammed on Ebay" http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2954 http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2724 With the XL1S body and 16x manual lens, you must expect to pay a higher price and the quote provided by our sponsor ZGC is not only realistic but very fair. Frankly, I don't think you can get this package for under that unless you're willing to buy used. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!