Advice on best settings please XL1.6? at DVinfo.net

John C. Morton · April 30th, 2004, 10:59 AM

Hi

A newbie seeking some advice and help?

I was about to buy the XL 1.6 extender as I have done a couple of test runs filming some polo matches (for a new venture!) without having the extender - using the standard lens that came with our XL1s, and found two things. Firstly, we really need slightly more zoom, and secondly I found because of the nature of the game - it's not possible to zoom out to a fixed point and then back again because the zooming requirements are constantly changing. I found even without the extender that I was losing focus. I was using the camera's basic shooting option (easy recording)

My questions are:
1) Can someone please recommend the best setting for this sort of work - Auto/Manual/TV or ? and with whichever is best, what further settings need to be tried or adjusted?

2) Will it be a waste of money buying the extender - I see several negative reports.

3) Should we be looking at one of the manual lenses available? or buying the adaptor and fitting another type of Canon zoom lens - or are these for 'stills' only?

Any help and guidance would be greatly apprecieted
TIA
John

Norman Woo · May 1st, 2004, 09:57 PM

Hi John

I have the 1.6 Extender and I don't have that problem of losing focus when I zoom out. I try to avoid showing zooms in my final product. I use the zoom mainly for re-composing and re-framing. In the cases where I do zooms, it is done very slow.

1) I always use the 'A' setting where both the aperture and shutter speed is locked down. If I need to adjust the exposure, I always "pull" aperture with my left thumb which is always riding the aperture wheel on the XL1. This is for both normal and using the 1.6 extender. I also set autofocus off and where I need to do quick refocus I would tap on the "Push AF" button with my left pinkie. I do a lot of sports (Dragon Boat racing for example) and weddings where I need to get deep "into" the rowers face, arms, oars, etc.

2) So far I haven't had any major problem with the extender. The good thing with this device is that it goes between the Xl1(s) body and the lens thereby allowing you to continue using existing filters, matte box, etc.
Good luck

G. Randy Brown · May 2nd, 2004, 01:14 PM

I'm confused, I thought "A" stood for automatic and that you can't lock anything down except for focus and exposure (if you select lock exposure).
Randy

Norman Woo · May 2nd, 2004, 11:38 PM

Whoops

What I meant to say was I lock down the exposure by depressing the "Exposure Lock" on the left side of the camera. Here I have a choice of manually adjusting the exposure via the shutter or aperture.
I do this under the 'A' mode.

John C. Morton · May 3rd, 2004, 02:20 AM

Thanks Norman for your advice - I'll give it a try.

Randy - take your point ;-) Did say I was just learning, although I will have someone doing the work who is quite experienced. Actually I do think the manual is somewhat thin on the ground regards this aspect
Best
John

G. Randy Brown · May 3rd, 2004, 07:48 AM

>>Actually I do think the manual is somewhat thin on the ground regards this aspect<<

Agreed, I learned far more on this forum than I did the manual....thanks forum!
Randy

John C. Morton · May 3rd, 2004, 08:09 AM

Yep I concur - thanks forum!

On this setting issue - are you saying then that I should indeed start by using 'A'?

Oh, and have now also purchased a VHS Video on 'using the XL1 (58 mins long) on eBay from some guy in the UK - will see if that helps a bit ;-)) The only other training item that I have seen is a DVD from the States - but the write up on this webboard is not that encouraging - so I'll give that a miss!!

Although in the end, nothing beats 'hands-on' experience I think - same with most things in life hey?
Best, John

G. Randy Brown · May 3rd, 2004, 08:38 AM

>>Although in the end, nothing beats 'hands-on' experience I think -<<
Absolutely, if you have the time, experiment in "M" (manual) mode. I don't use "A" any more unless I'm in a "run 'n gun" situation with the lighting changing drastically and often.
Good luck and have fun (and patience : ),
Randy

April 30th, 2004, 10:59 AM	#1
John C. Morton New Boot Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Sotogrande, Southern Spain Posts: 9	Advice on best settings please XL1.6? Hi A newbie seeking some advice and help? I was about to buy the XL 1.6 extender as I have done a couple of test runs filming some polo matches (for a new venture!) without having the extender - using the standard lens that came with our XL1s, and found two things. Firstly, we really need slightly more zoom, and secondly I found because of the nature of the game - it's not possible to zoom out to a fixed point and then back again because the zooming requirements are constantly changing. I found even without the extender that I was losing focus. I was using the camera's basic shooting option (easy recording) My questions are: 1) Can someone please recommend the best setting for this sort of work - Auto/Manual/TV or ? and with whichever is best, what further settings need to be tried or adjusted? 2) Will it be a waste of money buying the extender - I see several negative reports. 3) Should we be looking at one of the manual lenses available? or buying the adaptor and fitting another type of Canon zoom lens - or are these for 'stills' only? Any help and guidance would be greatly apprecieted TIA John

May 1st, 2004, 09:57 PM	#2
Norman Woo Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brossard, Quebec, Canada Posts: 147	Hi John I have the 1.6 Extender and I don't have that problem of losing focus when I zoom out. I try to avoid showing zooms in my final product. I use the zoom mainly for re-composing and re-framing. In the cases where I do zooms, it is done very slow. 1) I always use the 'A' setting where both the aperture and shutter speed is locked down. If I need to adjust the exposure, I always "pull" aperture with my left thumb which is always riding the aperture wheel on the XL1. This is for both normal and using the 1.6 extender. I also set autofocus off and where I need to do quick refocus I would tap on the "Push AF" button with my left pinkie. I do a lot of sports (Dragon Boat racing for example) and weddings where I need to get deep "into" the rowers face, arms, oars, etc. 2) So far I haven't had any major problem with the extender. The good thing with this device is that it goes between the Xl1(s) body and the lens thereby allowing you to continue using existing filters, matte box, etc. Good luck

May 2nd, 2004, 01:14 PM	#3
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	I'm confused, I thought "A" stood for automatic and that you can't lock anything down except for focus and exposure (if you select lock exposure). Randy

May 2nd, 2004, 11:38 PM	#4
Norman Woo Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brossard, Quebec, Canada Posts: 147	Whoops What I meant to say was I lock down the exposure by depressing the "Exposure Lock" on the left side of the camera. Here I have a choice of manually adjusting the exposure via the shutter or aperture. I do this under the 'A' mode.

May 3rd, 2004, 02:20 AM	#5
John C. Morton New Boot Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Sotogrande, Southern Spain Posts: 9	Thanks Norman for your advice - I'll give it a try. Randy - take your point ;-) Did say I was just learning, although I will have someone doing the work who is quite experienced. Actually I do think the manual is somewhat thin on the ground regards this aspect Best John

May 3rd, 2004, 07:48 AM	#6
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	>>Actually I do think the manual is somewhat thin on the ground regards this aspect<< Agreed, I learned far more on this forum than I did the manual....thanks forum! Randy

May 3rd, 2004, 08:09 AM	#7
John C. Morton New Boot Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Sotogrande, Southern Spain Posts: 9	Yep I concur - thanks forum! On this setting issue - are you saying then that I should indeed start by using 'A'? Oh, and have now also purchased a VHS Video on 'using the XL1 (58 mins long) on eBay from some guy in the UK - will see if that helps a bit ;-)) The only other training item that I have seen is a DVD from the States - but the write up on this webboard is not that encouraging - so I'll give that a miss!! Although in the end, nothing beats 'hands-on' experience I think - same with most things in life hey? Best, John

May 3rd, 2004, 08:38 AM	#8
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	>>Although in the end, nothing beats 'hands-on' experience I think -<< Absolutely, if you have the time, experiment in "M" (manual) mode. I don't use "A" any more unless I'm in a "run 'n gun" situation with the lighting changing drastically and often. Good luck and have fun (and patience : ), Randy