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Mark McCarthy · January 26th, 2004, 09:09 AM

Hello All.
I am thinking about upgrading my XL1s by purchasing the manual 16x lense. It looks terrific.

I am shooting a fishing/ wildlife programme for Discovery over the next year. Most of it will be shot on the shoulder. My question. Just how much difference how you found it makes not having an image stabilzer on the lens? Does not having it make that much difference to the steadyness of the shot? The review noted that it should only be used when on legs or using a steadycam.

Would I be better just sticking to the stock lens and perhaps getting a 1.6x extender for a quarter of the price?

The budget is not an issue.

I would appreciate any comments.
Cheers
Mark

Chris Hurd · January 27th, 2004, 08:14 AM

Hi Mark,

The question really is, can you work effectively without the autofocus and optical image stabilization of the standard 16x auto (white) lens. Are you experienced in the skill of being a "human tripod," if you can make that evaluation about yourself, that's what will help determine your decision.

Mark McCarthy · January 27th, 2004, 10:31 AM

Thanks Chris.
I only ever use the camera in Manual mode. Although I have never shot anything with the image stablizer switched off.

I imagine that as the camera is already too heavy loaded weight wise to the front of the camera, with the additional weight on the manual 16x, the problem is greatly increased! Do any other shooters shoot on the shoulder with the manual 16x lense? How have you got on.

regards to all, sparky.

Mike Avery · January 27th, 2004, 03:22 PM

Hi Mark,

We use the 16x manual exclusively on our XL. Much of that work is handheld.

I haven't noticed any problems with camera movement as a result of no image stabilization.

However we do try to use some tricks.....brace against something when possible.....stay close and stay wide, etc.

I love that manual lens. It would be very hard for me to go back to the stock lens at this point.

Mike Avery

Mark McCarthy · January 28th, 2004, 10:13 AM

Thanks Mike.

When you're shooting handheld, do you the find increased weight of the manual 16x an issue?
Thanks, Mark

Chris Hurd · January 28th, 2004, 11:32 AM

Mark,

With a good accessory shoulder support, the front weight shouldn't be an issue. There are a wide variety of third-party shoulder supports available for the XL1S, here are just a few of them. Hope this helps,

Barry Gribble · January 28th, 2004, 12:10 PM

On the topic of using the manual lens...

Do you need a focus puller? Do you just do that yourself?

If so, do you need to have the B&W viewfinder? Seems like you couldn't get it sharp with the color one....

Thanks...

Mark McCarthy · January 28th, 2004, 12:24 PM

No, if only my budget covered one of those!

I did a lot of filming out in Zambia last year and was so impressed by the quality of the picture. I told my client it was shot on DSR 500 and they didn't bat an eyelid.

I basically used the circular polarizer the entire time, upped the shutter speed and kept it around F6. The pictures were fantastic. But sometimes it is hard to focus on the color viewfinder, esp on objects in the distance. But generally when you look at the footage later, it's better than you expected.

I am doing a series later this year to be shown on Discovery. I am planning to upgrade to the manual lense from my standard one. It justs looks so heavy. I already use the MA 200 which is a great piece of kit. I may even get the 1.6x extender. Seems useful for wildlife shots.

Anyway, when you look at what you get from the XL1S, it's such a great camera, You get so much for your money, I can't say enough about it. There's no question. It is broadcast standart. I have the money to buy a more expensive camera, but I don't think I could do any better.

Mark.

Mike Avery · January 28th, 2004, 04:30 PM

Hi Mark,

I agree with you about the XL1. I too have more expensive "professional broadcast" cameras, but I don't even use them anymore.

Now that I know you have experience with such gear I recommend the 16x manual even more.

Before I got the lens I couldn't get comfortable with the XL. With that addition it felt more like a "real" camera to me.

And no, I don't notice the difference in weight between the two lenses, even hand held.

Mike Avery

Mark McCarthy · January 29th, 2004, 04:24 AM

Thanks Mike.
Have you used the 1.6x extender with the 16x manual lens?
How did you get on?

regards
Mark.

Mike Avery · January 29th, 2004, 07:28 AM

Yes we have used the extender, but definately not hand held.

It works fine for our needs. Of course it drops the light level quite a bit, and focus is more critical.

For the money I'd say its a good tool to have in your bag.

Mike Avery

January 26th, 2004, 09:09 AM	#1
Mark McCarthy Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Westcliff-On-Sea, Essex, England Posts: 154	Shooting with Canon Manual 16 X lens Hello All. I am thinking about upgrading my XL1s by purchasing the manual 16x lense. It looks terrific. I am shooting a fishing/ wildlife programme for Discovery over the next year. Most of it will be shot on the shoulder. My question. Just how much difference how you found it makes not having an image stabilzer on the lens? Does not having it make that much difference to the steadyness of the shot? The review noted that it should only be used when on legs or using a steadycam. Would I be better just sticking to the stock lens and perhaps getting a 1.6x extender for a quarter of the price? The budget is not an issue. I would appreciate any comments. Cheers Mark

January 27th, 2004, 08:14 AM	#2
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Hi Mark, The question really is, can you work effectively without the autofocus and optical image stabilization of the standard 16x auto (white) lens. Are you experienced in the skill of being a "human tripod," if you can make that evaluation about yourself, that's what will help determine your decision. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

January 28th, 2004, 11:32 AM	#6
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Mark, With a good accessory shoulder support, the front weight shouldn't be an issue. There are a wide variety of third-party shoulder supports available for the XL1S, here are just a few of them. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

January 27th, 2004, 10:31 AM	#3
Mark McCarthy Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Westcliff-On-Sea, Essex, England Posts: 154	Thanks Chris. I only ever use the camera in Manual mode. Although I have never shot anything with the image stablizer switched off. I imagine that as the camera is already too heavy loaded weight wise to the front of the camera, with the additional weight on the manual 16x, the problem is greatly increased! Do any other shooters shoot on the shoulder with the manual 16x lense? How have you got on. regards to all, sparky.

January 27th, 2004, 03:22 PM	#4
Mike Avery Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 87	Hi Mark, We use the 16x manual exclusively on our XL. Much of that work is handheld. I haven't noticed any problems with camera movement as a result of no image stabilization. However we do try to use some tricks.....brace against something when possible.....stay close and stay wide, etc. I love that manual lens. It would be very hard for me to go back to the stock lens at this point. Mike Avery

January 28th, 2004, 10:13 AM	#5
Mark McCarthy Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Westcliff-On-Sea, Essex, England Posts: 154	Thanks Mike. When you're shooting handheld, do you the find increased weight of the manual 16x an issue? Thanks, Mark

January 28th, 2004, 12:10 PM	#7
Barry Gribble Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 817	On the topic of using the manual lens... Do you need a focus puller? Do you just do that yourself? If so, do you need to have the B&W viewfinder? Seems like you couldn't get it sharp with the color one.... Thanks...

January 28th, 2004, 12:24 PM	#8
Mark McCarthy Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Westcliff-On-Sea, Essex, England Posts: 154	No, if only my budget covered one of those! I did a lot of filming out in Zambia last year and was so impressed by the quality of the picture. I told my client it was shot on DSR 500 and they didn't bat an eyelid. I basically used the circular polarizer the entire time, upped the shutter speed and kept it around F6. The pictures were fantastic. But sometimes it is hard to focus on the color viewfinder, esp on objects in the distance. But generally when you look at the footage later, it's better than you expected. I am doing a series later this year to be shown on Discovery. I am planning to upgrade to the manual lense from my standard one. It justs looks so heavy. I already use the MA 200 which is a great piece of kit. I may even get the 1.6x extender. Seems useful for wildlife shots. Anyway, when you look at what you get from the XL1S, it's such a great camera, You get so much for your money, I can't say enough about it. There's no question. It is broadcast standart. I have the money to buy a more expensive camera, but I don't think I could do any better. Mark.

January 28th, 2004, 04:30 PM	#9
Mike Avery Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 87	Hi Mark, I agree with you about the XL1. I too have more expensive "professional broadcast" cameras, but I don't even use them anymore. Now that I know you have experience with such gear I recommend the 16x manual even more. Before I got the lens I couldn't get comfortable with the XL. With that addition it felt more like a "real" camera to me. And no, I don't notice the difference in weight between the two lenses, even hand held. Mike Avery

January 29th, 2004, 04:24 AM	#10
Mark McCarthy Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Westcliff-On-Sea, Essex, England Posts: 154	Thanks Mike. Have you used the 1.6x extender with the 16x manual lens? How did you get on? regards Mark.

January 29th, 2004, 07:28 AM	#11
Mike Avery Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 87	Yes we have used the extender, but definately not hand held. It works fine for our needs. Of course it drops the light level quite a bit, and focus is more critical. For the money I'd say its a good tool to have in your bag. Mike Avery