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Kairat Salikhov · May 5th, 2002, 05:32 AM

Hi there guys,

This question came up, when I was thinking about capabilities of NLE system. Many effects can be achieved without the use of filters on lens. So I assume.

If I'm right, could you tell me which filters are essential to have? I would like to save some in order to get other things :-)

I know that circular polariser for my auto lenses is essential.

In perfect case I would love to have all essential filters for indoor/outdoor shooting, which can enhance the picture that way which is not attainable through the use of effects in NLE system/computer+software effects.

Thanks in advance

Kairat S.

Rob Lohman · May 6th, 2002, 01:00 AM

I got the same question more or less. I already own the
Canon filterset (giving me an extra ND filter, circular polarizer
and a UV filter). Now I have beein thinking about getting
the tiffen Film Look DV Kit & Special Effects DV Kit
(see http://www.zgc.com/html/tiffen_dv_filter_kits.html). Are
these things worth there price? Any comments, suggestions?

Thanks!

ja135321 · May 6th, 2002, 10:28 PM

What ever you do, don't buy the canon filter set. Its a waste. The UV isn't multicoated. The extra ND is never used because the one the lense comes with is just easier to flick the switch. And the case that they come in is designed so that you'll scratch them when taking them out or putting them in. I had to just buy Tiffen stuff. I wish I would have known that they weren't that good. Oh also, I had a weird glare with the canon UV whereas the Tiffen there was no weird glare for the same shot.

Rob Lohman · May 7th, 2002, 03:54 AM

I wish I had known before I bought. Well, the extra ND comes
in handy at very sunny days. It is nice to have two ND's then
(one in the lens and one on front of it). I didn't know the UV
was not multicated. Bullocks. At least I have already used the
ND and polarizer to great effects... oh well.

Anyone on those other tiffen sets I mentioned?

Kairat Salikhov · May 9th, 2002, 06:10 PM

Oh, well I oredered the same canon filter kit, damn... ZGC was out of tiffent filter kits.

May 24th, 2002, 12:28 AM

I just bought, seconds ago online, this (http://store.yahoo.com/ador/vdfk72.html)

the Tiffen Filter Kit "2" 72mm (Three filter Kit UV, FLD, ND6) set.

I was attracted to the the FLD filter that eliminates the green from flourescent.

Should I cancel this purchase? Meaning, I'm 90% sure these will work on the XL1s (which is being shipped to me right now).

Ken Tanaka · May 24th, 2002, 12:49 AM

Well, I wouldn't say you "pooched" it, but this kit looks like it's aimed more at the 35mm still photographer than the videographer. The UV will probably become your always-on protective filter. The ND filter may come in handy for very bright conditions, but keep in mind that the XL1s' standard 16x II lens had a built-in ND filter. So the external filter may often be a bit superfluous. The FLD filter may also be just a bit superfluous since you will always want to set your white balance electronically (unlike 35mm still photography which doesn't permit such a maneuver).

If I had to make a starting-out filter set selection I would select:
- UV, and
- circular polarizing

Optional:
- Tiffen Black Pro-Mist 1/8 to provide a -slight- neutral softening your shots when appropriate. The Adorama store does not show this filter, but you can find it at B&H (bhphoto.com) and other video stores.

Hope this is helpful.

Don Palomaki · May 24th, 2002, 05:48 AM

Note that for most shooting situations color balancing filters are not essential for video cameras beause the cameras allow white balance. IN fact automatic white balance will tend to negate color filter effects. The exception would be for some special effects or under very unusual lighting situations.

May 24th, 2002, 09:11 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Ken Tanaka : Well, I wouldn't say you "pooched" it, but this kit looks like it's aimed more at the 35mm still photographer than the videographer. The UV will probably become your always-on protective filter. The ND filter may come in handy for very bright conditions, but keep in mind that the XL1s' standard 16x II lens had a built-in ND filter. So the external filter may often be a bit superfluous. The FLD filter may also be just a bit superfluous since you will always want to set your white balance electronically (unlike 35mm still photography which doesn't permit such a maneuver).
-->>>

Ken thanks! I was able to cancel my order and order the UV and the circular polarizing.

May 5th, 2002, 05:32 AM	#1
Kairat Salikhov Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kazakhstan - USA Posts: 32	filters which one are essential? Hi there guys, This question came up, when I was thinking about capabilities of NLE system. Many effects can be achieved without the use of filters on lens. So I assume. If I'm right, could you tell me which filters are essential to have? I would like to save some in order to get other things :-) I know that circular polariser for my auto lenses is essential. In perfect case I would love to have all essential filters for indoor/outdoor shooting, which can enhance the picture that way which is not attainable through the use of effects in NLE system/computer+software effects. Thanks in advance Kairat S.

May 6th, 2002, 01:00 AM	#2
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I got the same question more or less. I already own the Canon filterset (giving me an extra ND filter, circular polarizer and a UV filter). Now I have beein thinking about getting the tiffen Film Look DV Kit & Special Effects DV Kit (see http://www.zgc.com/html/tiffen_dv_filter_kits.html). Are these things worth there price? Any comments, suggestions? Thanks! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 6th, 2002, 10:28 PM	#3
ja135321 Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 90	canon filter set What ever you do, don't buy the canon filter set. Its a waste. The UV isn't multicoated. The extra ND is never used because the one the lense comes with is just easier to flick the switch. And the case that they come in is designed so that you'll scratch them when taking them out or putting them in. I had to just buy Tiffen stuff. I wish I would have known that they weren't that good. Oh also, I had a weird glare with the canon UV whereas the Tiffen there was no weird glare for the same shot.

May 7th, 2002, 03:54 AM	#4
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I wish I had known before I bought. Well, the extra ND comes in handy at very sunny days. It is nice to have two ND's then (one in the lens and one on front of it). I didn't know the UV was not multicated. Bullocks. At least I have already used the ND and polarizer to great effects... oh well. Anyone on those other tiffen sets I mentioned? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 9th, 2002, 06:10 PM	#5
Kairat Salikhov Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kazakhstan - USA Posts: 32	Oh, well I oredered the same canon filter kit, damn... ZGC was out of tiffent filter kits. __________________ XL1s PAL, wide angle lens, all things lightwave, MA200. Dual AMD MP1900+, 1gig of RAM, Canopus DVStorm, Nvidia Quadro4 750XGL, Promise IDE Raid.

May 24th, 2002, 12:28 AM	#6
Mr.Cisco Posts: n/a	Hope I didn't pooch this I just bought, seconds ago online, this (http://store.yahoo.com/ador/vdfk72.html) the Tiffen Filter Kit "2" 72mm (Three filter Kit UV, FLD, ND6) set. I was attracted to the the FLD filter that eliminates the green from flourescent. Should I cancel this purchase? Meaning, I'm 90% sure these will work on the XL1s (which is being shipped to me right now).

May 24th, 2002, 12:49 AM	#7
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Well, I wouldn't say you "pooched" it, but this kit looks like it's aimed more at the 35mm still photographer than the videographer. The UV will probably become your always-on protective filter. The ND filter may come in handy for very bright conditions, but keep in mind that the XL1s' standard 16x II lens had a built-in ND filter. So the external filter may often be a bit superfluous. The FLD filter may also be just a bit superfluous since you will always want to set your white balance electronically (unlike 35mm still photography which doesn't permit such a maneuver). If I had to make a starting-out filter set selection I would select: - UV, and - circular polarizing Optional: - Tiffen Black Pro-Mist 1/8 to provide a -slight- neutral softening your shots when appropriate. The Adorama store does not show this filter, but you can find it at B&H (bhphoto.com) and other video stores. Hope this is helpful. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

May 24th, 2002, 05:48 AM	#8
Don Palomaki Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,489	Note that for most shooting situations color balancing filters are not essential for video cameras beause the cameras allow white balance. IN fact automatic white balance will tend to negate color filter effects. The exception would be for some special effects or under very unusual lighting situations.

May 24th, 2002, 09:11 AM	#9
Mr.Cisco Posts: n/a	Re: Hope I didn't pooch this <<<-- Originally posted by Ken Tanaka : Well, I wouldn't say you "pooched" it, but this kit looks like it's aimed more at the 35mm still photographer than the videographer. The UV will probably become your always-on protective filter. The ND filter may come in handy for very bright conditions, but keep in mind that the XL1s' standard 16x II lens had a built-in ND filter. So the external filter may often be a bit superfluous. The FLD filter may also be just a bit superfluous since you will always want to set your white balance electronically (unlike 35mm still photography which doesn't permit such a maneuver). -->>> Ken thanks! I was able to cancel my order and order the UV and the circular polarizing.