Get date/time from XL1s-originated tape without the XL1s? at DVinfo.net

Robert Knecht Schmidt · December 10th, 2003, 08:23 PM

Hey, everybody--I've done some searching but can't find the answer here.

Is there a way to get the recording date and time information from a DV tape shot on an XL1s, without having the XL1s on hand?

(In my particular case I'm playing back the tape from a JVC HR-DVS2U deck into a Canopus DVStorm.)

Edward Troxel · December 10th, 2003, 10:13 PM

It should be embedded in the DV stream. On my tapes, when I capture using Scenalyzer from my deck, the date/time is appended to the file name. As long as the clock in the XL-1s was set, you should be able to get that information no matter WHAT is used to play the tape.

Robert Knecht Schmidt · December 10th, 2003, 10:34 PM

OK, so Scenalyzer. Any other way?

Rob Lohman · December 11th, 2003, 04:55 AM

I've been working on a program that can read and display
information in DV streams for a couple of years now. I have
a little test program lying around that displays date & time
among other things (very crude).

If you mail me a one frame export of the movie I can tell you
what the date time was of that piece. Or do you need it on a
more regular basis? I might be able to work something out for
you in that case.

Ron Evans · December 11th, 2003, 03:53 PM

I think that the date and time stamp is a standard and as such if you play in any DV camcorder or deck with the capability to display the data code ( any Sony will do this) then you should see the date and time, press again and get camera setup for the shot ( button on most Sony remote controls). By the way this information survives all the editing I do with Premiere on my Canopus system and is still available on the master copy tape. My cameras are Sony not XL1s, just for information.

Ron Evans

Rob Lohman · December 12th, 2003, 04:45 AM

It is standard indeed. There is a section in each frame of the DV
file that contains information like date time, timecode and
sometimes settings used to record it.

Robert Knecht Schmidt · December 12th, 2003, 10:41 AM

And yet no component of the Windows OS nor any standard NLE can read it? (Nor can my deck?)

Ron Evans · December 12th, 2003, 11:36 AM

Robert,

I am suprised that the JVC doesn't have a data code button on the remote. Every one of my Sony camcorders and my Sony DHR1000 deck has this button on the remote ( the deck has the control on the deck as well). I can read this imporfation recorded on other peoples camcorders. A friend has a JVC camcorder and my DHR1000 can read the date and time but the camcorder doesn't seem to record camera data like the Sony's. His JVC is only a low cost consumer camcorder

Ron Evans

Robert Knecht Schmidt · December 12th, 2003, 11:56 AM

It has a data code button ("DISPLAY"), but pressing it displays only timecode. It shows, briefly, a weekday and time as well, but, uselessly, it's the present day and time.

Ron Evans · December 12th, 2003, 12:04 PM

The Sony's have a DISPLAY button which does the same as yours but also a DATA CODE or AUX DATA button depending on model. IT is this AUX DATA that you need to see.

Ron Evans

Robert Knecht Schmidt · December 12th, 2003, 12:58 PM

Alas.

Colin Browell · December 15th, 2003, 11:20 AM

I had a quick scan through the manual and it does not appear to allow you to view any of the DATA CODE metadata except the timecode.

Rob, I'm also developing a media player which displays all of this info on a per-frame basis. There's a bit more about it in this thread:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=18364

December 10th, 2003, 08:23 PM	#1
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	Get date/time from XL1s-originated tape without the XL1s? Hey, everybody--I've done some searching but can't find the answer here. Is there a way to get the recording date and time information from a DV tape shot on an XL1s, without having the XL1s on hand? (In my particular case I'm playing back the tape from a JVC HR-DVS2U deck into a Canopus DVStorm.) __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

December 10th, 2003, 10:34 PM	#3
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	OK, so Scenalyzer. Any other way? __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

December 11th, 2003, 04:55 AM	#4
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I've been working on a program that can read and display information in DV streams for a couple of years now. I have a little test program lying around that displays date & time among other things (very crude). If you mail me a one frame export of the movie I can tell you what the date time was of that piece. Or do you need it on a more regular basis? I might be able to work something out for you in that case. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

December 12th, 2003, 04:45 AM	#6
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	It is standard indeed. There is a section in each frame of the DV file that contains information like date time, timecode and sometimes settings used to record it. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

December 12th, 2003, 10:41 AM	#7
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	And yet no component of the Windows OS nor any standard NLE can read it? (Nor can my deck?) __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

December 10th, 2003, 10:13 PM	#2
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	It should be embedded in the DV stream. On my tapes, when I capture using Scenalyzer from my deck, the date/time is appended to the file name. As long as the clock in the XL-1s was set, you should be able to get that information no matter WHAT is used to play the tape.

December 11th, 2003, 03:53 PM	#5
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,222	I think that the date and time stamp is a standard and as such if you play in any DV camcorder or deck with the capability to display the data code ( any Sony will do this) then you should see the date and time, press again and get camera setup for the shot ( button on most Sony remote controls). By the way this information survives all the editing I do with Premiere on my Canopus system and is still available on the master copy tape. My cameras are Sony not XL1s, just for information. Ron Evans

December 12th, 2003, 11:36 AM	#8
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,222	Robert, I am suprised that the JVC doesn't have a data code button on the remote. Every one of my Sony camcorders and my Sony DHR1000 deck has this button on the remote ( the deck has the control on the deck as well). I can read this imporfation recorded on other peoples camcorders. A friend has a JVC camcorder and my DHR1000 can read the date and time but the camcorder doesn't seem to record camera data like the Sony's. His JVC is only a low cost consumer camcorder Ron Evans

December 12th, 2003, 11:56 AM	#9
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	It has a data code button ("DISPLAY"), but pressing it displays only timecode. It shows, briefly, a weekday and time as well, but, uselessly, it's the present day and time. __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

December 12th, 2003, 12:04 PM	#10
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,222	The Sony's have a DISPLAY button which does the same as yours but also a DATA CODE or AUX DATA button depending on model. IT is this AUX DATA that you need to see. Ron Evans

December 12th, 2003, 12:58 PM	#11
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	Alas. __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

December 15th, 2003, 11:20 AM	#12
Colin Browell Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: UK Posts: 55	I had a quick scan through the manual and it does not appear to allow you to view any of the DATA CODE metadata except the timecode. Rob, I'm also developing a media player which displays all of this info on a per-frame basis. There's a bit more about it in this thread: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=18364