Chris

April 14th, 2002, 10:36 PM

Did Canon come out with any hints of changes or add-ons for the XL1S?

Also, fill us in on anything that other manufacturers came out with that might benefit the XL1S. (I read elsewhere where Sony and others promoted the use of 3.5-inch hard drives that could be used on camera in conjunction with the tape drive.)

Chris Hurd · April 14th, 2002, 11:03 PM

Howdy from Texas,

No changes to the XL1S (it's less than a year old, so I didn't expect any), however, there were plenty of third-party XL1 accessories shown.

They pushed the $250 rebate on the GL1 which expires on June 30th. Remember a similar deal last year for the XL1... and then the XL1S was introduced a couple weeks after the rebate offer expired. So keep your ears and eyes open on that one.

Saw the new PDX10 at Sony which replaces the PD100A, but did not have time to explore the whole booth.

More info later in the next coupla days,

Justin Chin · April 15th, 2002, 02:00 AM

Oh man, Chris, you're keeping me on the edge of my seat. I hope you took a lot of pictures.

I'd love to see more of the Cinetech stuff.

Rob Lohman · April 15th, 2002, 04:20 AM

I hope there is some good news regarding more accesories from
Canon self. Probably not though. Chris, you get a chance to ask
permission to publish those American Cinematographer articles?

Dan C. · April 15th, 2002, 09:19 AM

Like Justin, I very much enjoyted the Cinetech pictures from earlier NABs on the Watchdog.

Are there any 2002 pictures in the pipeline?

Peter Sheppard · April 15th, 2002, 10:55 AM

Perhaps Chris can comment on this....Just received a new XL1s camera "outfit" in original Canon packaging....body , color viewfiner, mike, ac adaptor/charger, 16x lens with hood,soft caseand dust cap,shoulder pad,wireless controllerand batteries,shoulder strap, lens cap,BP930 battery, lithium button battery,s video cable, stero/video cable,body cap.......sounds complete yes? ...So how about canon including a darn tape.....does Canon not make and market DV tapes? I think it quite cheap and cheezy of Canon to not include a tape for a customer shelling out close to $4000....don`t you? It`s a small thing but if Canon is in the tape business, I think they are missing the boat by not including their brand with the camera outfit....if they dont make tapes then maybe they dont wish to take an apparent reccomended position by including a Sony, JVC or Panasonic tape.....Years ago I bought a Sony VX1000, and it came with a sony tape.....the brand I have since used for all my work.......

Chris Hurd · April 15th, 2002, 11:09 AM

Howdy from Texas,

For some time now, Canon has ceased including DV cassettes with their camcorders. I think it's a mistake. Canon is *not* in the tape business -- their DV cassettes are simply Panasonic tapes in a Canon wrapper. However, everything *else* you need to shoot, including MMC cards for the ZR and Optura series camcorders, and Compact Flash cards for their PowerShot digital still cameras, are included. Why they chose to discontinue the practice of including a DV cassette escapes me.

April 15th, 2002, 07:51 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Chris Hurd : Howdy from Texas,
Why they chose to discontinue the practice of including a DV cassette escapes me. -->>>

Greed? :-)

Guy Pringle · April 16th, 2002, 12:41 AM

Chris,

To take it one step further...ZGC sent me a Canon tape, should I therefor stick with Panasonic? Which is the best brand and product #?

Chris Hurd · April 16th, 2002, 12:45 AM

Guy, I would choose either Sony or Panasonic and then stick with your choice. Personally I think the best Panasonic tape is the AY-DVM63EB. I'm sure someone else will post their favorite Sony flavor. Hope this helps,

Guy Pringle · April 16th, 2002, 01:54 AM

It sure does, thanx Chris. What about cheap places to buy?

Chris Hurd · April 16th, 2002, 06:00 AM

Once again, Guy, I have to steer you toward my sponsors... and this one has an office in your big city of H-town. It's Professional Tape and Communication Supply. See www.pro-tape.com for contact info and current pricing and specials. When you buy from Pro-Tape, not only are you getting a good deal but you're supporting these message boards in the process. Hope this helps,

Steve Siegel · April 16th, 2002, 02:01 PM

Chris,

Did Canon suggest at NAB that they will be coming out with some competition for the other guys' high definition machines any time soon?

Michael Dontigney · April 16th, 2002, 05:21 PM

I buy Panasonic AY-DVM63MQ tapes from http://www.taperesources.com for my XL1, and GL1. I highly recommend them.

Also, support the forums by buying from pro-tape as Chris suggested.. hehe

Chris Hurd · April 16th, 2002, 05:35 PM

Howdy from Texas,

<< Did Canon suggest at NAB that they will be coming out with some competition for the other guys' high definition machines any time soon? >>

Canon provides High-Definition broadcast video lenses to that market. We'll continue to see consumer and prosumer DV camcorders from Canon, but they're not going to compete with the manufacturers whose cameras they supply lenses to.

April 14th, 2002, 10:36 PM	#1
gratedcheese Posts: n/a	Chris - Any news from Canon at NAB Did Canon come out with any hints of changes or add-ons for the XL1S? Also, fill us in on anything that other manufacturers came out with that might benefit the XL1S. (I read elsewhere where Sony and others promoted the use of 3.5-inch hard drives that could be used on camera in conjunction with the tape drive.)

April 14th, 2002, 11:03 PM	#2
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Howdy from Texas, No changes to the XL1S (it's less than a year old, so I didn't expect any), however, there were plenty of third-party XL1 accessories shown. They pushed the $250 rebate on the GL1 which expires on June 30th. Remember a similar deal last year for the XL1... and then the XL1S was introduced a couple weeks after the rebate offer expired. So keep your ears and eyes open on that one. Saw the new PDX10 at Sony which replaces the PD100A, but did not have time to explore the whole booth. More info later in the next coupla days, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

April 15th, 2002, 02:00 AM	#3
Justin Chin Major Player Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 227	Oh man, Chris, you're keeping me on the edge of my seat. I hope you took a lot of pictures. I'd love to see more of the Cinetech stuff. __________________ justin www.monsterrocket.com Filmmaker \| Cinematographer

April 15th, 2002, 04:20 AM	#4
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I hope there is some good news regarding more accesories from Canon self. Probably not though. Chris, you get a chance to ask permission to publish those American Cinematographer articles? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

April 15th, 2002, 10:55 AM	#6
Peter Sheppard Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Barbados, West Indies. Posts: 30	canon dv tape? Perhaps Chris can comment on this....Just received a new XL1s camera "outfit" in original Canon packaging....body , color viewfiner, mike, ac adaptor/charger, 16x lens with hood,soft caseand dust cap,shoulder pad,wireless controllerand batteries,shoulder strap, lens cap,BP930 battery, lithium button battery,s video cable, stero/video cable,body cap.......sounds complete yes? ...So how about canon including a darn tape.....does Canon not make and market DV tapes? I think it quite cheap and cheezy of Canon to not include a tape for a customer shelling out close to $4000....don`t you? It`s a small thing but if Canon is in the tape business, I think they are missing the boat by not including their brand with the camera outfit....if they dont make tapes then maybe they dont wish to take an apparent reccomended position by including a Sony, JVC or Panasonic tape.....Years ago I bought a Sony VX1000, and it came with a sony tape.....the brand I have since used for all my work.......

April 15th, 2002, 09:19 AM	#5
Dan C. Major Player Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cheshire, England Posts: 105	Like Justin, I very much enjoyted the Cinetech pictures from earlier NABs on the Watchdog. Are there any 2002 pictures in the pipeline?

April 15th, 2002, 11:09 AM	#7
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Howdy from Texas, For some time now, Canon has ceased including DV cassettes with their camcorders. I think it's a mistake. Canon is not in the tape business -- their DV cassettes are simply Panasonic tapes in a Canon wrapper. However, everything else you need to shoot, including MMC cards for the ZR and Optura series camcorders, and Compact Flash cards for their PowerShot digital still cameras, are included. Why they chose to discontinue the practice of including a DV cassette escapes me. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

April 15th, 2002, 07:51 PM	#8
Hitcher. Posts: n/a	<<<-- Originally posted by Chris Hurd : Howdy from Texas, Why they chose to discontinue the practice of including a DV cassette escapes me. -->>> Greed? :-)

April 16th, 2002, 12:41 AM	#9
Guy Pringle Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Posts: 82	Chris, To take it one step further...ZGC sent me a Canon tape, should I therefor stick with Panasonic? Which is the best brand and product #? __________________ Amacitia Reddit Honores (Friendship Brings Honour) Guy Pringle Silver Reflections guypringle@yahoo.com +27(0)83 256 8566

April 16th, 2002, 12:45 AM	#10
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Guy, I would choose either Sony or Panasonic and then stick with your choice. Personally I think the best Panasonic tape is the AY-DVM63EB. I'm sure someone else will post their favorite Sony flavor. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

April 16th, 2002, 01:54 AM	#11
Guy Pringle Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Posts: 82	It sure does, thanx Chris. What about cheap places to buy? __________________ Amacitia Reddit Honores (Friendship Brings Honour) Guy Pringle Silver Reflections guypringle@yahoo.com +27(0)83 256 8566

April 16th, 2002, 06:00 AM	#12
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Once again, Guy, I have to steer you toward my sponsors... and this one has an office in your big city of H-town. It's Professional Tape and Communication Supply. See www.pro-tape.com for contact info and current pricing and specials. When you buy from Pro-Tape, not only are you getting a good deal but you're supporting these message boards in the process. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

April 16th, 2002, 02:01 PM	#13
Steve Siegel Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Posts: 840	Chris, Did Canon suggest at NAB that they will be coming out with some competition for the other guys' high definition machines any time soon?

April 16th, 2002, 05:21 PM	#14
Michael Dontigney Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Atlanta, Ga. Posts: 103	I buy Panasonic AY-DVM63MQ tapes from http://www.taperesources.com for my XL1, and GL1. I highly recommend them. Also, support the forums by buying from pro-tape as Chris suggested.. hehe

April 16th, 2002, 05:35 PM	#15
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Howdy from Texas, << Did Canon suggest at NAB that they will be coming out with some competition for the other guys' high definition machines any time soon? >> Canon provides High-Definition broadcast video lenses to that market. We'll continue to see consumer and prosumer DV camcorders from Canon, but they're not going to compete with the manufacturers whose cameras they supply lenses to. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!