XL1 / XL1S various posts

Stefano Sarfati Nahmad · February 23rd, 2004, 04:48 AM

Hello everyone,
i interviewed a person who was speaking in the lavalier (Senn. ew122p). i was making the questions behind the camera speaking in a shotgun (Senn. ME66). Both connected to an MA-100.
What i got is the sound in the shotgun is much higher than the lav.
When i played the footage the sound from the shotgun was good (much room sound but i expected that) and the voice in the lav was so law that i had to turn the TV volume to the top. the person had the lav mic close to his mouth (pinned to jacket right under his chin).
Audio level was set to automatic.
Question is: did this happen because of the automatic audio level ? Is automatic audio level the same for L & R channel or is it independent for the two channels?
I have two ew122p lav kits and i regreat i didn't use them both instead of the shotgun.
Thank you in advanced for any help.

Don Palomaki · February 23rd, 2004, 05:07 AM

Auto level probably effects both channels (it is a stereo input on the XL1). The lav mic in the EW122P is only slightly less sensitive than the ME66, but how the lav is setup with the transmitter and receiver in your system could make a major difference. Best to chack and balance levels before a shoot. And manual allways gives better control over levels than auto, but then you do have to ride levels

Stefano Sarfati Nahmad · February 23rd, 2004, 05:18 AM

Thanks Don,
also, some noise was coming from strong street traffic outside the window which was recorded by the shotgun and not at all by the lav.
I gather that if i have a higher sound down one channel, auto sound level attenuates both L & R channels. Is that right?

Alani Heredia · February 23rd, 2004, 02:05 PM

im looking for a place to buy a new camera and forgot the website that tells you the scammers from the real pepole. can anyone tell me the site?

also has anyone ever orderd from expresscameras.com?
i saw some prices that are too good to be true there.

-thanks

Robert Knecht Schmidt · February 23rd, 2004, 02:09 PM

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G. Randy Brown · February 24th, 2004, 11:11 AM

Howdy,
I'll be doing a two cam shoot (both XL1s' of course : ) of a "mock" car crash. I'd like to have your opinions on shutter speeds etc.(one cam probably set up close (but not to close) to the side of the crash which I'll probably use as slo-mo and one from behind/to the side of the car. My question is, for this much movement what would your settings be (you only have one take). I have shot sporting events and the rendered 50% slo-mo was a little too soft.
TIA,
Randy

Nick Hiltgen · February 25th, 2004, 01:53 AM

I've never shot a car crash. Hell, I've only been in two and those were both slow speed so take this with a grain of salt. If you're going to use slow mo You'll want a fast shutter spped but you'll notice that you lose light as a result of it. I say shoot with the fastest shutter speed possible because you will get a chrisper look. Now ither settings will very depending on the script, and how the shot is set up and is planned to work out. best of luck and remember that it might be worth getting a little bit worse shot if you have to be far enough away to keep your camera from getting smashed.

David Rosche · February 25th, 2004, 06:51 AM

Dear friends. I wonder if any one can tell me weather it is possible or not to record program from TV into Cassette on XL1s.
Many thx to all of you.David

G. Randy Brown · February 25th, 2004, 08:37 AM

>>remember that it might be worth getting a little bit worse shot if you have to be far enough away to keep your camera from getting smashed.<<<

True, I have the extender lens so as long as I'm smart enough to judge what distance is safe... : )
I've given this some thought since I posted and I'm thinking the thing to do is to find out from the client what speed they plan for the car to be going upon impact and then do some tests by having my drivers - ed - taking daughter to drive by in front of our house for me to test different shutter speeds....hmmm, now where's that insurance card and my extender?...
Thanks Nick,
Randy

Chris Hurd · February 25th, 2004, 10:51 AM

Yes it is, at least on NTSC models, as detailed on page 88 of the NTSC manual under the heading "Recording from a VCR, TV or Analog Camera (Analog Line-in)." As you are down under in PAL land, you should consult the manual for the PAL model XL1S. Hope this helps,

Sjef Beekmans · February 26th, 2004, 08:09 PM

Can anyone tell me what the best setup, and cost efficient I might add, to setup the XL1 to record uninterrupted footage ( hours and hours). I am thinking using the firewire with a laptop, does it work or are there better and cheaper alternatives?

Let me know.

Thanks a million.

Sjef

Don Palomaki · February 26th, 2004, 08:53 PM

If the laptop can capture from the XL1 it should work. Just do not put a tape in the XL1 and have a good power source tht cvan power both the lkaptop and camcorder for as long as you need.

Your capture will be limited by the storage available on the laptop and may be limited by the capture software you are using, and the laptop operating system as well.

Darryl Knickrehm · February 28th, 2004, 04:23 AM

I am considering buying a miniDV Camera with the intention of making short films. I was wondering which would be the right choice: Canon XL1SE (PAL) with a Nikon lens or a DVX100A. But Ifve been able to see any clips or footage from either camera and was wondering if anyone with either camera could give some advice or shows some clips. Well, herefs the two setups Ifm comparing:

Canon XL1SE with Nikon Lens
This is an older camera and has less pixels produced by the CCD's. I've read somewhere that the PAL version produces around 310,000 though. And also it shoots at 25fps which is very close to 24fps. I was wondering if this footage has a similar look as 24p camera or film. I am also thinking of using the mechanical Nikon Lens mount to use Nikon lenses with it. Now I know there is a 7.2x magnification (well, actually as I understand it, its actually because the image produced by the lens is bigger than the CCD chip, so actually only the image at the center of the lens is being captured, resulting in the appearance of a 7.2x magnification) But I have a .25x fisheye wide angle adapter, and if I put that on, it would make the lenses back within useable range (say a 24mm lens turns into a 173mm equivalent lens, and then with the .25x adapter its back to a 43mm equivalent lens) Also, I was wondering how this setup would compare with using a Nikon lens on the P+S Tecnik 35 Mini adapter. (would it look as good and get similar DOF and contrast)

Panasonic DVX100a
This is a new camera and has a 410,000 pixel count and has a nice gamma system which resembles film (but that could be done in post canft it?). It also shoots at 24p, and I've heard it looks great! But the lens is not changeable. How shallow of a DOF can be achieved with this lens?

--So I was wondering which setup would pull off a more cinematic look (24fps feel and a shallow DOF) Any help, advice or clips from either camera would be great!!

Gretta Wing Miller · February 28th, 2004, 11:49 AM

finding MA100/200 and XL-1 internal preamp to be hissy as mic level, so we are considering using a preamp to go line level into audio 1; is there one which can be used, very mobile, w/XL-1 on shoulder? Battery powered, attaches to camera, etc?
thanks, gretta

Gino Terribilini · February 29th, 2004, 06:03 PM

Does anybody know a creative way to mount the CH-910 onto the XL1s without the use of the MA-100 mounting bracket? I bought an MA-100, but it didn't come with one, so i'm kind of puzzled at this point. If you have any ideas, it would definately help. Thanks!

Gino Terribilini

February 23rd, 2004, 04:48 AM	#1126
Stefano Sarfati Nahmad Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Milan, Italy Posts: 30	audio input level Hello everyone, i interviewed a person who was speaking in the lavalier (Senn. ew122p). i was making the questions behind the camera speaking in a shotgun (Senn. ME66). Both connected to an MA-100. What i got is the sound in the shotgun is much higher than the lav. When i played the footage the sound from the shotgun was good (much room sound but i expected that) and the voice in the lav was so law that i had to turn the TV volume to the top. the person had the lav mic close to his mouth (pinned to jacket right under his chin). Audio level was set to automatic. Question is: did this happen because of the automatic audio level ? Is automatic audio level the same for L & R channel or is it independent for the two channels? I have two ew122p lav kits and i regreat i didn't use them both instead of the shotgun. Thank you in advanced for any help.

February 23rd, 2004, 05:07 AM	#1127
Don Palomaki Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,489	Auto level probably effects both channels (it is a stereo input on the XL1). The lav mic in the EW122P is only slightly less sensitive than the ME66, but how the lav is setup with the transmitter and receiver in your system could make a major difference. Best to chack and balance levels before a shoot. And manual allways gives better control over levels than auto, but then you do have to ride levels __________________ dpalomaki@dspalomaki.com

February 23rd, 2004, 02:05 PM	#1129
Alani Heredia New Boot Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 14	Legit stores im looking for a place to buy a new camera and forgot the website that tells you the scammers from the real pepole. can anyone tell me the site? also has anyone ever orderd from expresscameras.com? i saw some prices that are too good to be true there. -thanks

February 23rd, 2004, 02:09 PM	#1130
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February 24th, 2004, 11:11 AM	#1131
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	Best settings for car crash? Howdy, I'll be doing a two cam shoot (both XL1s' of course : ) of a "mock" car crash. I'd like to have your opinions on shutter speeds etc.(one cam probably set up close (but not to close) to the side of the crash which I'll probably use as slo-mo and one from behind/to the side of the car. My question is, for this much movement what would your settings be (you only have one take). I have shot sporting events and the rendered 50% slo-mo was a little too soft. TIA, Randy

February 23rd, 2004, 05:18 AM	#1128
Stefano Sarfati Nahmad Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Milan, Italy Posts: 30	Thanks Don, also, some noise was coming from strong street traffic outside the window which was recorded by the shotgun and not at all by the lav. I gather that if i have a higher sound down one channel, auto sound level attenuates both L & R channels. Is that right?

February 25th, 2004, 01:53 AM	#1132
Nick Hiltgen Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,427	I've never shot a car crash. Hell, I've only been in two and those were both slow speed so take this with a grain of salt. If you're going to use slow mo You'll want a fast shutter spped but you'll notice that you lose light as a result of it. I say shoot with the fastest shutter speed possible because you will get a chrisper look. Now ither settings will very depending on the script, and how the shot is set up and is planned to work out. best of luck and remember that it might be worth getting a little bit worse shot if you have to be far enough away to keep your camera from getting smashed.

February 25th, 2004, 06:51 AM	#1133
David Rosche Tourist Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sydney. N.S.W Posts: 1	Recording from TV Dear friends. I wonder if any one can tell me weather it is possible or not to record program from TV into Cassette on XL1s. Many thx to all of you.David __________________ David. R

February 25th, 2004, 08:37 AM	#1134
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	>>remember that it might be worth getting a little bit worse shot if you have to be far enough away to keep your camera from getting smashed.<<< True, I have the extender lens so as long as I'm smart enough to judge what distance is safe... : ) I've given this some thought since I posted and I'm thinking the thing to do is to find out from the client what speed they plan for the car to be going upon impact and then do some tests by having my drivers - ed - taking daughter to drive by in front of our house for me to test different shutter speeds....hmmm, now where's that insurance card and my extender?... Thanks Nick, Randy

February 25th, 2004, 10:51 AM	#1135
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Yes it is, at least on NTSC models, as detailed on page 88 of the NTSC manual under the heading "Recording from a VCR, TV or Analog Camera (Analog Line-in)." As you are down under in PAL land, you should consult the manual for the PAL model XL1S. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 26th, 2004, 08:09 PM	#1136
Sjef Beekmans New Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Canada Posts: 7	Long recording for the XL1 Can anyone tell me what the best setup, and cost efficient I might add, to setup the XL1 to record uninterrupted footage ( hours and hours). I am thinking using the firewire with a laptop, does it work or are there better and cheaper alternatives? Let me know. Thanks a million. Sjef __________________ Sjef Vortex Productions Montreal Canada

February 26th, 2004, 08:53 PM	#1137
Don Palomaki Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,489	If the laptop can capture from the XL1 it should work. Just do not put a tape in the XL1 and have a good power source tht cvan power both the lkaptop and camcorder for as long as you need. Your capture will be limited by the storage available on the laptop and may be limited by the capture software you are using, and the laptop operating system as well. __________________ dpalomaki@dspalomaki.com

February 28th, 2004, 04:23 AM	#1138
Darryl Knickrehm Tourist Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Japan Posts: 3	XL1S (PAL) with Nikon lens vs DVX100a I am considering buying a miniDV Camera with the intention of making short films. I was wondering which would be the right choice: Canon XL1SE (PAL) with a Nikon lens or a DVX100A. But Ifve been able to see any clips or footage from either camera and was wondering if anyone with either camera could give some advice or shows some clips. Well, herefs the two setups Ifm comparing: Canon XL1SE with Nikon Lens This is an older camera and has less pixels produced by the CCD's. I've read somewhere that the PAL version produces around 310,000 though. And also it shoots at 25fps which is very close to 24fps. I was wondering if this footage has a similar look as 24p camera or film. I am also thinking of using the mechanical Nikon Lens mount to use Nikon lenses with it. Now I know there is a 7.2x magnification (well, actually as I understand it, its actually because the image produced by the lens is bigger than the CCD chip, so actually only the image at the center of the lens is being captured, resulting in the appearance of a 7.2x magnification) But I have a .25x fisheye wide angle adapter, and if I put that on, it would make the lenses back within useable range (say a 24mm lens turns into a 173mm equivalent lens, and then with the .25x adapter its back to a 43mm equivalent lens) Also, I was wondering how this setup would compare with using a Nikon lens on the P+S Tecnik 35 Mini adapter. (would it look as good and get similar DOF and contrast) Panasonic DVX100a This is a new camera and has a 410,000 pixel count and has a nice gamma system which resembles film (but that could be done in post canft it?). It also shoots at 24p, and I've heard it looks great! But the lens is not changeable. How shallow of a DOF can be achieved with this lens? --So I was wondering which setup would pull off a more cinematic look (24fps feel and a shallow DOF) Any help, advice or clips from either camera would be great!!

February 28th, 2004, 11:49 AM	#1139
Gretta Wing Miller Tourist Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: madison WI Posts: 1	preamps finding MA100/200 and XL-1 internal preamp to be hissy as mic level, so we are considering using a preamp to go line level into audio 1; is there one which can be used, very mobile, w/XL-1 on shoulder? Battery powered, attaches to camera, etc? thanks, gretta

February 29th, 2004, 06:03 PM	#1140
Gino Terribilini Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Santa Rosa, CA Posts: 91	Mounting a CH-910 Does anybody know a creative way to mount the CH-910 onto the XL1s without the use of the MA-100 mounting bracket? I bought an MA-100, but it didn't come with one, so i'm kind of puzzled at this point. If you have any ideas, it would definately help. Thanks! Gino Terribilini