XL1 / XL1S various posts

Kevin Burnfield · January 28th, 2003, 12:54 PM

Okay. This is starting to annoy me.

I've been capturing vid from this camera in 1/30 mode with no problem for months in Final Cut Pro. I'm shooting some stuff in 1/60 now and need to capture it.

I set the sequence settings for 60, I go in and set the capture settings for the camera to 60 and double, triple check them.

I've optimized my media drive (segmented in 2) as well as all other drives.

My in point is well into the start of the footage shot in 1/60 so there wasn't any 1/30 to skip through and my out point is also well before the end of the footage.

Every single time I get the dreaded "Dropped Frames were detected during last capture attempt"

I even get this when I use the "capture now" option.

ideas?????

Kevin Burnfield · January 28th, 2003, 03:02 PM

SOLUTION - no matter what speed you shoot at (I just figured out) frame rate-wise, DV is still 29.97 (NTSC) and you import it at that----

Rob Lohman · January 28th, 2003, 03:50 PM

That is correct Kevin (for PAL it is 25 fps)!

Mike Avery · January 28th, 2003, 04:04 PM

I had my old XL1 outside on a shoot yesterday for four hours.

It was a legitimate minus 15 degrees when we started, warmed up to around ten above zero.

The camera performed flawlessly once again, even though I forgot to bring a case. It was exposed to the elements the entire shoot.

I never cease to be amazed by that thing.

Mike Avery

Frank Granovski · January 28th, 2003, 05:42 PM

Though I never want to own such a large cam, I agree with you that it is a great cam (and so is the GL2). A family member owns 2 XL1S cams, 2 GL1 cams and now 2 GL2 cams...but he wants to sell the GL1s. For most of his jobs, his GL1s/2 work just fine.

Cold weather? Shrug/shake/shiver---chattering teeth---that's why I moved from Winnipeg to Vancouver. I had enough of Winterpeg---but someday I'll move back to the country around there, sit back and watch the twisters in the summer, and hire someone to shovel the snow in the winter.

Marc Martin · January 29th, 2003, 04:41 PM

Is the Kaeseman filter usable with an XM2 (GL2), or should I buy a Multicoated

Polariser: Circular or linear? I know it depend how the cam makes the Autofocus (XM2/GL2)

Thank in advance.

Andre De Clercq · January 31st, 2003, 02:39 PM

Get a "good" one...linear or circular doesn't matter for the internal video optics. The performant ones are mostly circular. Get one with a good scratch resistant coating. With a Kaeseman filter you'l get (theoretically) somewhat more polarisation (extinction ratio), somewhat better polarisation uniformity and a "flatter" structure for the ultimate resolution. Those super performances are an overkill for video.

Ben Vallack · February 1st, 2003, 07:32 AM

I noticed on Scott Billups' web site www.pixelmonger.com that he has two stills from the XL1s with the ISII auto lens and the Manual lens. The difference between the two images is phenomenal. I was wondering if the difference really is this noticable or maybe his images have been compressed differently or some other factor at play. I am allways interested in getting the best out of the camera because its just such a lovely machine. Ultimately I am after the manual lens with an anamorphic adaptor on the end, but am unsure of the actual advantages in terms of image quality (of having the manual lens). Many thanks for any advice/information.

Jeff Donald · February 1st, 2003, 10:52 AM

It looks to be like they were shot different. The top image (16X IS II) looks like it has some reflection of the background on it. It fills less of the frame and is angled more. For a good comparison the shots should be identical. With that said, I own both lenses and find the 14X to be sharper.

Adam Brennan · February 1st, 2003, 07:29 PM

What kind of difference can I expect from a canon XL1 compared to a new DV camera you can buy at best buy for $800.00 bucks? This camera I am getting is used and I think may be 4 years old. It's the canon XL1.

Anything I should be aware of?

Adam Brennan · February 1st, 2003, 07:48 PM

I was wondering can you record in widescreen with the XL1? Or do you need a special attachment? If you need a special attachemnt, does it leave the black borders on top of the film and bottom?

Frank Granovski · February 1st, 2003, 08:49 PM

Many of today's 1 CCD cams have very high resolution. The XL1 is more of a pro cam. It has better sound/audio controls, great manual controls, and the ability to use a variety of lenses.

Adrian Douglas · February 1st, 2003, 09:56 PM

Adam,

The XL1/1s both use 4:3 CCDs. They have a faux 16:9 digital function where the image is squeezed and stretched to fit the 16:9 format. When using the 16:9 effect there is some loss in vertical resolution. This may be a problem for you, it all depends on the look you are after. Many people will shoot in 4:3 then crop in post and add the black bars to achieve 16:9 images.

My personal experience has shown that using the 16:9 effect doesn't really make that much of a difference to the look. It still looks sharp(as sharp as the XL1 can be) and good. There are plenty of posts here on the boards so do a search on 16:9 and see what you think.

Ben Vallack · February 2nd, 2003, 02:39 AM

Yeah iv done filming in sub zero temps with snow falling on the camera (XL1s) before, performed flawlesly! Didnt have a case either so it got pretty wet, didnt want to let it get to wet though so I was only in it for about half an hour.

Tim Joseph · February 2nd, 2003, 12:35 PM

Did a job two nights ago and am reviewing my footage. There is a tiny red spot near the bottom of the screen. Is it possible I have a bad pixel? How could I know for sure? Is it possible that its something on the lens?

January 28th, 2003, 12:54 PM	#661
Kevin Burnfield Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Princeton, NJ Posts: 363	Dropped Frames on XL1S Capture at 1/60 fps Okay. This is starting to annoy me. I've been capturing vid from this camera in 1/30 mode with no problem for months in Final Cut Pro. I'm shooting some stuff in 1/60 now and need to capture it. I set the sequence settings for 60, I go in and set the capture settings for the camera to 60 and double, triple check them. I've optimized my media drive (segmented in 2) as well as all other drives. My in point is well into the start of the footage shot in 1/60 so there wasn't any 1/30 to skip through and my out point is also well before the end of the footage. Every single time I get the dreaded "Dropped Frames were detected during last capture attempt" I even get this when I use the "capture now" option. ideas?????

January 28th, 2003, 03:50 PM	#663
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	That is correct Kevin (for PAL it is 25 fps)! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 28th, 2003, 04:04 PM	#664
Mike Avery Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 87	XL1 cold weather performance I had my old XL1 outside on a shoot yesterday for four hours. It was a legitimate minus 15 degrees when we started, warmed up to around ten above zero. The camera performed flawlessly once again, even though I forgot to bring a case. It was exposed to the elements the entire shoot. I never cease to be amazed by that thing. Mike Avery

January 29th, 2003, 04:41 PM	#666
Marc Martin Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Paris, France Posts: 80	Filters: Kaeseman and Polariser Is the Kaeseman filter usable with an XM2 (GL2), or should I buy a Multicoated Polariser: Circular or linear? I know it depend how the cam makes the Autofocus (XM2/GL2) Thank in advance.

February 1st, 2003, 07:32 AM	#668
Ben Vallack New Boot Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Devon, UK Posts: 18	Manual lens vs ISII auto in terms of image quality I noticed on Scott Billups' web site www.pixelmonger.com that he has two stills from the XL1s with the ISII auto lens and the Manual lens. The difference between the two images is phenomenal. I was wondering if the difference really is this noticable or maybe his images have been compressed differently or some other factor at play. I am allways interested in getting the best out of the camera because its just such a lovely machine. Ultimately I am after the manual lens with an anamorphic adaptor on the end, but am unsure of the actual advantages in terms of image quality (of having the manual lens). Many thanks for any advice/information. __________________ Ben Vallack Filmmaking - Web Design

January 28th, 2003, 03:02 PM	#662
Kevin Burnfield Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Princeton, NJ Posts: 363	SOLUTION - no matter what speed you shoot at (I just figured out) frame rate-wise, DV is still 29.97 (NTSC) and you import it at that----

January 28th, 2003, 05:42 PM	#665
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Though I never want to own such a large cam, I agree with you that it is a great cam (and so is the GL2). A family member owns 2 XL1S cams, 2 GL1 cams and now 2 GL2 cams...but he wants to sell the GL1s. For most of his jobs, his GL1s/2 work just fine. Cold weather? Shrug/shake/shiver---chattering teeth---that's why I moved from Winnipeg to Vancouver. I had enough of Winterpeg---but someday I'll move back to the country around there, sit back and watch the twisters in the summer, and hire someone to shovel the snow in the winter.

January 31st, 2003, 02:39 PM	#667
Andre De Clercq Major Player Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 804	Get a "good" one...linear or circular doesn't matter for the internal video optics. The performant ones are mostly circular. Get one with a good scratch resistant coating. With a Kaeseman filter you'l get (theoretically) somewhat more polarisation (extinction ratio), somewhat better polarisation uniformity and a "flatter" structure for the ultimate resolution. Those super performances are an overkill for video.

February 1st, 2003, 10:52 AM	#669
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	It looks to be like they were shot different. The top image (16X IS II) looks like it has some reflection of the background on it. It fills less of the frame and is angled more. For a good comparison the shots should be identical. With that said, I own both lenses and find the 14X to be sharper. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 1st, 2003, 07:29 PM	#670
Adam Brennan Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 58	How much better picture should I expect with an Canon XL1 compared to a small DV came What kind of difference can I expect from a canon XL1 compared to a new DV camera you can buy at best buy for $800.00 bucks? This camera I am getting is used and I think may be 4 years old. It's the canon XL1. Anything I should be aware of?

February 1st, 2003, 07:48 PM	#671
Adam Brennan Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 58	Can you record in 16:1 on a Canon XL1? I was wondering can you record in widescreen with the XL1? Or do you need a special attachment? If you need a special attachemnt, does it leave the black borders on top of the film and bottom?

February 1st, 2003, 08:49 PM	#672
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Many of today's 1 CCD cams have very high resolution. The XL1 is more of a pro cam. It has better sound/audio controls, great manual controls, and the ability to use a variety of lenses.

February 1st, 2003, 09:56 PM	#673
Adrian Douglas Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chigasaki, Japan. Posts: 1,660	Adam, The XL1/1s both use 4:3 CCDs. They have a faux 16:9 digital function where the image is squeezed and stretched to fit the 16:9 format. When using the 16:9 effect there is some loss in vertical resolution. This may be a problem for you, it all depends on the look you are after. Many people will shoot in 4:3 then crop in post and add the black bars to achieve 16:9 images. My personal experience has shown that using the 16:9 effect doesn't really make that much of a difference to the look. It still looks sharp(as sharp as the XL1 can be) and good. There are plenty of posts here on the boards so do a search on 16:9 and see what you think. __________________ Adrian DVInfo.net Search for quick answers Where to buy? From the best in the business...DVInfo.net sponsors

February 2nd, 2003, 02:39 AM	#674
Ben Vallack New Boot Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Devon, UK Posts: 18	Yeah iv done filming in sub zero temps with snow falling on the camera (XL1s) before, performed flawlesly! Didnt have a case either so it got pretty wet, didnt want to let it get to wet though so I was only in it for about half an hour. __________________ Ben Vallack Filmmaking - Web Design

February 2nd, 2003, 12:35 PM	#675
Tim Joseph Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Winter Park, FL Posts: 35	Bad pixel? Did a job two nights ago and am reviewing my footage. There is a tiny red spot near the bottom of the screen. Is it possible I have a bad pixel? How could I know for sure? Is it possible that its something on the lens? __________________ =================== Scheezo Have Camera, Will Travel-