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Jon Haskell · October 18th, 2003, 02:25 PM

We have a significant Coyote population in the fields around our farm. I would love to video these critters during their movement at night. I have a couple of questions relating to this hoping someone has been down this road before:

1. First is it possible to use the XL1 at night and what additional equipment would be needed.

2. Has anyone wired the XL1 to start up or stay on and shoot via a motion sensor, etal?

I also have a Sony VX1000 (are you allowed to mention the "S" word here?)

Your suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks,

Jon Haskell
Westfield, IN USA

Jeff Donald · October 18th, 2003, 02:40 PM

Even the light of a full moon on a cloudless night is not enough to video tape by. What type of lighting do you plan on using?

Ed Smith · October 19th, 2003, 08:40 AM

I believe that a company produced an infrared lens/ adapter for the XL1 so that you can see in pitch black. However I cannot remember who made it, it is very expensive.

The VX1000 has a lowlight mode which might help.

If you want true colour pictures then you will need to invest in some flood lights, and hope that the coyotes won't mind.

Happy shooting,

Ed

Rick Bravo · October 19th, 2003, 04:27 PM

Jon,

Electrophysics makes a true night vision device that fits between the XL-1 or XL-1S and the lens.

We currently own one and are awaiting delivery of the newest model of their "AstroScope". The model number is 9350 CIU3-P and you can see the specs at

http://www.electrophysicscorp.com/AstroScope_9300xl.htm

The results when shooting in "total" darkness are pretty astounding. The reason that the "total" is in quotations is that the scope is actually a light amplification device or what is commonly referred to as a "starlight scope". You need some type of illumination whether it is artificial as in an infrared illuminator or available starlight or moonlight. When shooting with this thing, a full moon might as well be an HMI!

Remember that this is a night scope, the picture is the same green that you may have seen on news or tv programs.

The downside to all this is that it is prohibitively expensive. The whole thing runs over $8,000. Beleive me when I tell you that if my Department wasn't paying for it I'd be looking for other options.

I can think of a couple of other ways to "shoot" coyotes that are far less expensive!!!

RB

Nathan Gifford · October 20th, 2003, 09:14 AM

I think you can also use an IR illuminator tune to the same wavelength the CCDs are sensitive. It will be just b/w though

Jon Haskell · October 21st, 2003, 07:36 PM

Thanks guys for your suggestions.
With the night vision gizmo at $8 K I think I will have to go to Plan B.
If I use Nathans idea of a IR illuminator tuned to the same wavelength of the XL1's CCD, how do I determine what the wavelength should be? I could live with the B/W image.

I dont want to use flood lights because I suspect it would affect the behavior. There is a suspected "gathering place" I would like to shoot without floods.

jon

K. Forman · October 22nd, 2003, 06:56 AM

If there is any power near your intended target area, try hanging a low powered chinese lantern. Give the coyotes a few days to get used to it, and slowly increase the power a bit. As they are curious critters, they will soon ignore it and you should have enough light to work with.

Just a thought.

Jon Haskell · October 22nd, 2003, 07:47 AM

Ummmm...thats a thought. No power but could take a big battery back there for 12vdc. Other than they are very cautious and eat small mammels, I know very little about them.
thanks,
jon

Rick Bravo · October 22nd, 2003, 02:48 PM

Here's a site that might, pardon the pun, "shed some light" on the subject!

http://www.desertusa.com/june96/du_cycot.html

Although we don't have a coyote problem in Miami, it is more like sharks and snakes, the human kind that is, remember that coyotes are wild and pose a risk. Pay particular attention to the Coyote Caution segment of the page.

Good luck, RB.

K. Forman · October 22nd, 2003, 06:01 PM

As long as you don't try to approach them, feed them, or threaten them, they are very likely to avoid you. They are much like wolves, and not a treat, but will stay to themselves. I would take precautions, and tape from inside your car.

Jon Haskell · October 23rd, 2003, 06:38 AM

Thanks to all for your comments and suggestions.

Here is what I have decided to do. Buy a IR security camera, feed the video to a Amateur Radio ATV transmitter thru a yagi directed back to my house (3/4 miles away)Have the system powered by a 12vdc battery activated by a motion sensor circuit. A radio control link to a pan and tilt mechinism would be fun to experiment with but I dont have the time to fool with that.

This will permit me to remotely view/record activity in the house. However, I am still going to experiment with a IR Illuminator and IR Filter with the XL1. Film at 11.00

Thanks again
Jon Haskell, W8JON
www.row.org

Ed Smith · October 23rd, 2003, 09:09 AM

Wow sounds interesting. You might want to consider more than one camera - to get different angles.

If you can post your results - I would love to see how it comes out.

Cheers,

Ed

October 18th, 2003, 02:25 PM	#1
Jon Haskell Tourist Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Westfield, IN USA Posts: 4	Shooting Coyotes We have a significant Coyote population in the fields around our farm. I would love to video these critters during their movement at night. I have a couple of questions relating to this hoping someone has been down this road before: 1. First is it possible to use the XL1 at night and what additional equipment would be needed. 2. Has anyone wired the XL1 to start up or stay on and shoot via a motion sensor, etal? I also have a Sony VX1000 (are you allowed to mention the "S" word here?) Your suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Jon Haskell Westfield, IN USA __________________ Jon

October 18th, 2003, 02:40 PM	#2
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	Even the light of a full moon on a cloudless night is not enough to video tape by. What type of lighting do you plan on using? __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 19th, 2003, 08:40 AM	#3
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	I believe that a company produced an infrared lens/ adapter for the XL1 so that you can see in pitch black. However I cannot remember who made it, it is very expensive. The VX1000 has a lowlight mode which might help. If you want true colour pictures then you will need to invest in some flood lights, and hope that the coyotes won't mind. Happy shooting, Ed __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

October 19th, 2003, 04:27 PM	#4
Rick Bravo Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 574	Night Vision for the XL Jon, Electrophysics makes a true night vision device that fits between the XL-1 or XL-1S and the lens. We currently own one and are awaiting delivery of the newest model of their "AstroScope". The model number is 9350 CIU3-P and you can see the specs at http://www.electrophysicscorp.com/AstroScope_9300xl.htm The results when shooting in "total" darkness are pretty astounding. The reason that the "total" is in quotations is that the scope is actually a light amplification device or what is commonly referred to as a "starlight scope". You need some type of illumination whether it is artificial as in an infrared illuminator or available starlight or moonlight. When shooting with this thing, a full moon might as well be an HMI! Remember that this is a night scope, the picture is the same green that you may have seen on news or tv programs. The downside to all this is that it is prohibitively expensive. The whole thing runs over $8,000. Beleive me when I tell you that if my Department wasn't paying for it I'd be looking for other options. I can think of a couple of other ways to "shoot" coyotes that are far less expensive!!! RB __________________ "The future ain't what it used to be." Yogi Berra. www.rbravo.com

October 20th, 2003, 09:14 AM	#5
Nathan Gifford Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Tickfaw, LA Posts: 1,217	I think you can also use an IR illuminator tune to the same wavelength the CCDs are sensitive. It will be just b/w though __________________ Nathan Gifford Southern Cyclist Magazine & Productions For quick answers try our Search! To see me and Rob Lohman click here

October 21st, 2003, 07:36 PM	#6
Jon Haskell Tourist Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Westfield, IN USA Posts: 4	SHooting Coyotes Thanks guys for your suggestions. With the night vision gizmo at $8 K I think I will have to go to Plan B. If I use Nathans idea of a IR illuminator tuned to the same wavelength of the XL1's CCD, how do I determine what the wavelength should be? I could live with the B/W image. I dont want to use flood lights because I suspect it would affect the behavior. There is a suspected "gathering place" I would like to shoot without floods. jon __________________ Jon

October 22nd, 2003, 06:56 AM	#7
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	If there is any power near your intended target area, try hanging a low powered chinese lantern. Give the coyotes a few days to get used to it, and slowly increase the power a bit. As they are curious critters, they will soon ignore it and you should have enough light to work with. Just a thought.

October 22nd, 2003, 07:47 AM	#8
Jon Haskell Tourist Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Westfield, IN USA Posts: 4	Shooting Coyotes Ummmm...thats a thought. No power but could take a big battery back there for 12vdc. Other than they are very cautious and eat small mammels, I know very little about them. thanks, jon __________________ Jon

October 22nd, 2003, 02:48 PM	#9
Rick Bravo Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 574	Here's a site that might, pardon the pun, "shed some light" on the subject! http://www.desertusa.com/june96/du_cycot.html Although we don't have a coyote problem in Miami, it is more like sharks and snakes, the human kind that is, remember that coyotes are wild and pose a risk. Pay particular attention to the Coyote Caution segment of the page. Good luck, RB. __________________ "The future ain't what it used to be." Yogi Berra. www.rbravo.com

October 22nd, 2003, 06:01 PM	#10
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	As long as you don't try to approach them, feed them, or threaten them, they are very likely to avoid you. They are much like wolves, and not a treat, but will stay to themselves. I would take precautions, and tape from inside your car.

October 23rd, 2003, 06:38 AM	#11
Jon Haskell Tourist Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Westfield, IN USA Posts: 4	Shooting Coyotes Thanks to all for your comments and suggestions. Here is what I have decided to do. Buy a IR security camera, feed the video to a Amateur Radio ATV transmitter thru a yagi directed back to my house (3/4 miles away)Have the system powered by a 12vdc battery activated by a motion sensor circuit. A radio control link to a pan and tilt mechinism would be fun to experiment with but I dont have the time to fool with that. This will permit me to remotely view/record activity in the house. However, I am still going to experiment with a IR Illuminator and IR Filter with the XL1. Film at 11.00 Thanks again Jon Haskell, W8JON www.row.org __________________ Jon

October 23rd, 2003, 09:09 AM	#12
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	Wow sounds interesting. You might want to consider more than one camera - to get different angles. If you can post your results - I would love to see how it comes out. Cheers, Ed __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors