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Jerry Stanfield · October 7th, 2003, 05:33 PM

ALOHA Chris,

I'm from Hawaii, but have spent time in Austin, YeeeeeeeeeHa. I have been all through watchdog and here is the problem. I have converted from win 2000 and raptor to winXP and premire 6.5 for capture. When I have long captures more than 10 minutes and especially up to 1 hour my audio gets way out of sync. And when I go to project>settings viewer it indicates my frame rate is 29.96 not .97 I have also talked to Canon including the manager at the repair facility at Irvine and all it get is the software tapdance, I much prefer the Texas two step. I have used our Canon RZ60 and a Sony digital and NO PROBLEM. Ihave also just recieved my xl-1 back from a 432.00 servicing. So to me the bottom line is the camera is broke or I paid 5000.00 dollars for a camera that doesn't record at the industrial standard of 29.97.
If the latter is the case I wish Canon would tell me so. If not is there a solution short of stopping my capture every 10 minutes. Thank you (MAHALO) for your time.

ALOHA
Jerry
PS If you are from around Austin is the Broken Spoke still in action.

Don Palomaki · October 7th, 2003, 06:22 PM

There is a known issue in that the clock rate of the XL1 audio is a wee bit different from the Sonys and other common MiniDV camcorders, which may cause some audio drift relative to the video. Most of the better NLE/Capture systems have a Canon setting that deals with this, thus it is addressed in software.

Jerry Stanfield · October 7th, 2003, 06:33 PM

ALOHA Don,

Thanks for the quick reply!I am primarily a camera man who is forced to do some of his own editing and not much of a techie at all. If you know of such a fix or setting for Adobe Premier 6.5 please let me know.

MAHALO

Jerry

Ken Tanaka · October 7th, 2003, 06:45 PM

Welcome Jerry,
I believe that one of these Adobe Premiere Knowledgebase topics might provide some additional background and guidance on this matter. It is one of those little funky oddities of Canon cameras.

Nathan Gifford · October 8th, 2003, 12:00 PM

The problem can be more pronounced when you shoot, end-to-end, without stopping. I have never had this problem, but I have know a few who have.

Chris Hurd · October 11th, 2003, 08:32 AM

By the way Jerry, things are still kickin' at the Broken Spoke. The Continental Club, my favorite Austin dive, is still in action too.

Dean Sensui · October 12th, 2003, 01:36 PM

Hey Jerry....

What have you been working on? It's been years since I'd seen you last. I'm still at the Bulletin but have been doing a fair amount of video work for the last few years. Just in case the Bulletin's future starts looking bleak.

Regarding the audio sync problem, you might want to try this:

Log the clip as a single uninterrupted shot. Don't digitize just yet.

Drop the clip onto a timeline, then cut it up into shorter segments, perhaps 5 to 10 minutes.

Digitize the cut-up timeline. You'll end up with a long uninterrupted video with, it's hoped, audio that will stay in sync.

Dean Sensui
Base Two Productions

Jerry Stanfield · October 12th, 2003, 02:29 PM

ALOHA Dean,
Good to hear from you! I'll give you a call.

Jerry ps

Small world, smaller island.

Jerry Stanfield · October 13th, 2003, 02:47 PM

ALOHA Don, Ken, Nathan, Chris and Dean

MAHALOS to all of you for your time, concern and information, unfortunately nothing has worked so we keep on keeping on. I look forward to seeing you all on this community net which I am sure will prove valuable in the future.

ALOHA

Jerry Stanfield
virago90@yahoo.com

October 7th, 2003, 05:33 PM	#1
Jerry Stanfield New Boot Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 11	XL-1 frame rate ALOHA Chris, I'm from Hawaii, but have spent time in Austin, YeeeeeeeeeHa. I have been all through watchdog and here is the problem. I have converted from win 2000 and raptor to winXP and premire 6.5 for capture. When I have long captures more than 10 minutes and especially up to 1 hour my audio gets way out of sync. And when I go to project>settings viewer it indicates my frame rate is 29.96 not .97 I have also talked to Canon including the manager at the repair facility at Irvine and all it get is the software tapdance, I much prefer the Texas two step. I have used our Canon RZ60 and a Sony digital and NO PROBLEM. Ihave also just recieved my xl-1 back from a 432.00 servicing. So to me the bottom line is the camera is broke or I paid 5000.00 dollars for a camera that doesn't record at the industrial standard of 29.97. If the latter is the case I wish Canon would tell me so. If not is there a solution short of stopping my capture every 10 minutes. Thank you (MAHALO) for your time. ALOHA Jerry PS If you are from around Austin is the Broken Spoke still in action.

October 7th, 2003, 06:22 PM	#2
Don Palomaki Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,489	There is a known issue in that the clock rate of the XL1 audio is a wee bit different from the Sonys and other common MiniDV camcorders, which may cause some audio drift relative to the video. Most of the better NLE/Capture systems have a Canon setting that deals with this, thus it is addressed in software. __________________ dpalomaki@dspalomaki.com

October 7th, 2003, 06:33 PM	#3
Jerry Stanfield New Boot Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 11	XL-1 frame rate ALOHA Don, Thanks for the quick reply!I am primarily a camera man who is forced to do some of his own editing and not much of a techie at all. If you know of such a fix or setting for Adobe Premier 6.5 please let me know. MAHALO Jerry

October 7th, 2003, 06:45 PM	#4
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Welcome Jerry, I believe that one of these Adobe Premiere Knowledgebase topics might provide some additional background and guidance on this matter. It is one of those little funky oddities of Canon cameras. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

October 8th, 2003, 12:00 PM	#5
Nathan Gifford Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Tickfaw, LA Posts: 1,217	The problem can be more pronounced when you shoot, end-to-end, without stopping. I have never had this problem, but I have know a few who have. __________________ Nathan Gifford Southern Cyclist Magazine & Productions For quick answers try our Search! To see me and Rob Lohman click here

October 11th, 2003, 08:32 AM	#6
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,369 Images: 513	By the way Jerry, things are still kickin' at the Broken Spoke. The Continental Club, my favorite Austin dive, is still in action too. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

October 12th, 2003, 01:36 PM	#7
Dean Sensui Inner Circle Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 2,054	Hey Jerry.... What have you been working on? It's been years since I'd seen you last. I'm still at the Bulletin but have been doing a fair amount of video work for the last few years. Just in case the Bulletin's future starts looking bleak. Regarding the audio sync problem, you might want to try this: Log the clip as a single uninterrupted shot. Don't digitize just yet. Drop the clip onto a timeline, then cut it up into shorter segments, perhaps 5 to 10 minutes. Digitize the cut-up timeline. You'll end up with a long uninterrupted video with, it's hoped, audio that will stay in sync. Dean Sensui Base Two Productions

October 12th, 2003, 02:29 PM	#8
Jerry Stanfield New Boot Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 11	ALOHA Dean, Good to hear from you! I'll give you a call. Jerry ps Small world, smaller island.

October 13th, 2003, 02:47 PM	#9
Jerry Stanfield New Boot Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 11	ALOHA Don, Ken, Nathan, Chris and Dean MAHALOS to all of you for your time, concern and information, unfortunately nothing has worked so we keep on keeping on. I look forward to seeing you all on this community net which I am sure will prove valuable in the future. ALOHA Jerry Stanfield virago90@yahoo.com