finally plunking down $ for XL1s... any defective models i dunno about? at DVinfo.net

Yi Fong Yu · September 30th, 2003, 10:26 PM

well? as with many electronics there are sometimes news of specific models being defective. you guys know of any 'batches' that have gone bad?

timeframe is probably 6 months (purchase). gonna be getting it from online. i'm thinkin ebay, ya'll know of other cheap places to get it from? i know there's a thread STICKIED but none of them have usable LINKS yet to online stores that are CHEAP. i've seen it on ebay for only $1800+S&H:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=20330

i know it's only the camera but that's all what i need right now. shooting short movies (hobbyist). i wanna build my arsenal piece by piece.

Dylan Couper · September 30th, 2003, 10:56 PM

Hate to burst your bubble, there's no way you are getting a new XL1s for $1800, unless it's stolen.

Look at what the seller has for sale:

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sort=3&rows=50

Next look at the sellers past items:

http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAP...&userid=kjclev

Do you see the difference? $1.99 cards to a $1800 video camera. There is an issue there. This is probably a hacked/pirated account.

Send money at your own risk. I wouldn't send this seller a dime even with Ken Tanaka's VISA....

Ken Tanaka · September 30th, 2003, 11:01 PM

This auction does not pass the sniff test to my nose at all. A truly new XL1s kit sells for over twice this price, closer to US$3,500.

Please don't be a sucker with too-good-to-be-true auctions and prices. Take time to read through Dylan Couper's cautionary notes on eBay auctions.

Darrell Hinton · September 30th, 2003, 11:04 PM

I would also recommend on not trying to get a "too good to be true" deal off of E-bay or other online auction sites, because it most likely is just that... too good to be true. Someone pretty recently posted a list of warning signs to detect theft and fraud on auction sites, particularly E-bay. Try searching for that thread and checking it out. It would be well worth your time.

Ken Tanaka · September 30th, 2003, 11:04 PM

"... even with Ken Tanaka's VISA

Haw haw!

Darrell Hinton · September 30th, 2003, 11:05 PM

Well I guess Ken got his post in just before mine. Definately check out the link provided in his post.

Yi Fong Yu · October 1st, 2003, 10:46 AM

know what's funny? it's already delisted!!!! =D. ahhahahahah!!! yeah i know. i have gotten real good deals however off of ebay =D. a brand new velodyne CHT12 subwoofer for roughly $350 (delivered) or so when it retails for $500-600 =D.

*sigh*. what's a good decent price for JUST THE CAMERA (alone)? $2.8k? 3k?

Ken Tanaka · October 1st, 2003, 11:00 AM

If by, "just the camera alone" you mean just the body without a lens or viewfinder, it lists for around US$2,700 at B&H Photo. That's a good benchmark. Keep your eye on our "Private Classifieds" section, as XL1's turn up for sale there routinely.

Just be careful about bargain-hunting. You may discover that you're the hunted, not the hunter.

Bryan Gateb · October 2nd, 2003, 05:46 AM

i scored my XL1 (not s) off ebay for $2200 with the canon filter set, tiffen pro mist and FX filters, 2 high capacity batts, 2 standard batts, protabrace bag, MA-100 and other odds and ends. i think i did well with that and the thing works like a charm. I agree with keeping an eye out for the private classefieds here as there's lots of good deals to be had.

Chris Hurd · October 2nd, 2003, 08:33 AM

Howdy from texas,

Quote:

i know there's a thread STICKIED but none of them have usable LINKS yet to online stores that are CHEAP.

That's because there is no such thing. "Cheap" prices too low to be true are just sucker-bait, waiting to reel in those looking for "the lowest possible price" only to get yanked so hard they wind up paying more than they would have if they'd gone through an authorized dealer in the first place.

I don't believe in that nonsense, so I post only the *realistic* dealers who sponsor this message board with real-world pricing and honest reputations. These outfits are B&H, EVS, ZGC, Zotz, etc. If you can't afford their fair prices, then you're shopping for the wrong camcorder... choose another model closer to your budget. We've got an entire article on the site about buying from Ebay.

As a service to our sponsors and to protect our readers from potentially bad deals, I will remove references and links to dealers who are not authorized DV Info Net sponsors. Hope this helps,

September 30th, 2003, 10:26 PM	#1
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	finally plunking down $ for XL1s... any defective models i dunno about? well? as with many electronics there are sometimes news of specific models being defective. you guys know of any 'batches' that have gone bad? timeframe is probably 6 months (purchase). gonna be getting it from online. i'm thinkin ebay, ya'll know of other cheap places to get it from? i know there's a thread STICKIED but none of them have usable LINKS yet to online stores that are CHEAP. i've seen it on ebay for only $1800+S&H: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=20330 i know it's only the camera but that's all what i need right now. shooting short movies (hobbyist). i wanna build my arsenal piece by piece. __________________ bow wow wow

September 30th, 2003, 10:56 PM	#2
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Hate to burst your bubble, there's no way you are getting a new XL1s for $1800, unless it's stolen. Look at what the seller has for sale: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sort=3&rows=50 Next look at the sellers past items: http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAP...&userid=kjclev Do you see the difference? $1.99 cards to a $1800 video camera. There is an issue there. This is probably a hacked/pirated account. Send money at your own risk. I wouldn't send this seller a dime even with Ken Tanaka's VISA.... __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

September 30th, 2003, 11:01 PM	#3
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	This auction does not pass the sniff test to my nose at all. A truly new XL1s kit sells for over twice this price, closer to US$3,500. Please don't be a sucker with too-good-to-be-true auctions and prices. Take time to read through Dylan Couper's cautionary notes on eBay auctions. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

September 30th, 2003, 11:04 PM	#5
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	"... even with Ken Tanaka's VISA Haw haw! __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

October 1st, 2003, 10:46 AM	#7
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	know what's funny? it's already delisted!!!! =D. ahhahahahah!!! yeah i know. i have gotten real good deals however off of ebay =D. a brand new velodyne CHT12 subwoofer for roughly $350 (delivered) or so when it retails for $500-600 =D. sigh. what's a good decent price for JUST THE CAMERA (alone)? $2.8k? 3k? __________________ bow wow wow

September 30th, 2003, 11:04 PM	#4
Darrell Hinton Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 77	I would also recommend on not trying to get a "too good to be true" deal off of E-bay or other online auction sites, because it most likely is just that... too good to be true. Someone pretty recently posted a list of warning signs to detect theft and fraud on auction sites, particularly E-bay. Try searching for that thread and checking it out. It would be well worth your time.

September 30th, 2003, 11:05 PM	#6
Darrell Hinton Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 77	Well I guess Ken got his post in just before mine. Definately check out the link provided in his post.

October 1st, 2003, 11:00 AM	#8
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	If by, "just the camera alone" you mean just the body without a lens or viewfinder, it lists for around US$2,700 at B&H Photo. That's a good benchmark. Keep your eye on our "Private Classifieds" section, as XL1's turn up for sale there routinely. Just be careful about bargain-hunting. You may discover that you're the hunted, not the hunter. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

October 2nd, 2003, 05:46 AM	#9
Bryan Gateb Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Indian Wells, CA Posts: 27	i scored my XL1 (not s) off ebay for $2200 with the canon filter set, tiffen pro mist and FX filters, 2 high capacity batts, 2 standard batts, protabrace bag, MA-100 and other odds and ends. i think i did well with that and the thing works like a charm. I agree with keeping an eye out for the private classefieds here as there's lots of good deals to be had.