gl1 anamorphic 16:9 vs xl1s vs pd150 anamorphic (whew!) at DVinfo.net

Adam Coward · October 11th, 2001, 02:40 AM

Ive been staying up way too late researching these cameras and I was wondering if anyone had any new input for me.
I will be filming a short in Vietnam in december and would like a good 16:9 image (perhaps cropped or in the GL1 and pd150 case, anamorphically AND electronically altered for a 2.35:1 ratio) , and would also like to be able to have a good film transfer if all goes well! This is some of the facts I think I have...

1.) xl1s = best image, no 16:9 adapter
2.) pd150 = best low light results, no Canon frame movie mode
3.) gl1= canon frame mode + 16:9 adapter option, lowest overall picture quality

Every camera seems to have a fatal flaw!
Has anyone tried making 30 full frames in post with the pd150?
Anyone used the Century 16:9 adapter with the GL1 or pd150?

Right now, I am thinking the gl1 with the 16:9 adapter might not only be the best bet, but the most inexpensive as well... alas, it also seems to have the poorest low light performance!

Well, Ive said too much already. I would love to hear other's thoughts!

Jay Henderson · August 18th, 2002, 10:58 PM

you can use the optex anamorphic attachment on the xl1/s.
there's an adaptor ring for it.
zgc.com

Martin Munthe · August 19th, 2002, 04:38 AM

But you can't go as wide on the XL1 as in the PD150. Your optics gets very limited. This is because you have to step up from the Optex (52mm) to the Canon lens. Theres no stepping up on the Sonys.

Yes; there is always a big flaw in these type of cameras. Why? Because they are inexpensive prosumer cameras! The trick is to work around the limitations and invent.

Jay Henderson · August 19th, 2002, 05:45 AM

shooting with an xl1, and the optex anamorphic plus adapter, would your angle of view increase?

is using the optex anamorphic attachment plus adapter out of the question with the 3x wide lens?

p.s. is this the best they can do!? there really ought to be a better anamorphic solution for XL lenses.

i'm looking to shoot in-camera 16x9 plus anamorphic attachment for 2.35:1.....i guess the only way is to use the optex, and sacrifice some zoom range!

Nathan Gifford · August 19th, 2002, 11:22 AM

The GL2, by all reports, has excellent image capabilities. You might want to look at that option.

I would love to have access anamorphic for the XL-2 just to test it out, if not keep.

Don Berube · August 19th, 2002, 09:03 PM

Have you ever shot any anamorphic fooatge before? If so, how did it go?

Use the GL2, shoot in 4:3 and frame for 16:9 using the 16:9 guidelines. Screw on the Canon WD-58 .7x wide angle adaptor with the new tulip-shaped sunhood and you are golden. That way, you have the image information there in case you have to present your footage in 4:3, plus you have the image information there (at the top or bottom) in case you need to adjust headroom after the fact in post.

You are shooting in Vietnam doc-style, correct??? Keep it simple - you will be in a new and far away environment with no rental houses nearby. Bring a GL1 with you as backup - this is VERY important. You will appreciate the fact that the GL2 is grey and not red & white like the older models - this will help you to blend in and look more like a tourist. Keep a low profile and blens, your shots will have less people staring at you and your camera that way.

The GL2 also has much better battery life than the GL1 - twice the life now than before. You will appreciate this. Just make sure you bring twice the batteries and twice the tape that you think you will need.

The GL2 is also lighter - again, a plus when you are shooting all day long.

The GL2 is almost as good as the XL1S in low light, much better than the GL1 - feel free to use +6db gain, it is super clean on the GL2.

For audio, go low profile, you need to blend, remember??? Pick up a BeachTek unit rather than the MA-300, again you want to look like a tourist shooting with a home camcorder - the MA-300 looks a bit "too professional" for this shoot I would say. Plus, the BeachTek will add just the right amount of weight to the bottom of the camera, especially if you are using the WD58. Bring a couple of AKG PR81 series wireless UHF mics (or equivalent) - definitely go UHF over VHF,,, a Sennheiser ME66 (you will appreciate the built-in power supply vs. an external mic power supply), a good on-camera shock mount
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several XLR cables (5', 15', 25'), a standard dynamic "stick mic" for backup just in case and you are good to go for most scenarios. Bring a pair of Sony MDR-7506 (or equivalent low-impedance headphones) and a couple pairs of ear-bud style headphones. You will appreciate these when you need to be low profile and blend in.

Better yet, bring a good soundman with you who can help you with sound, help with lights, grip, etc -and- keep an eye on YOU and the equipment while you are shooting - this is important, as people tend to sneak up on you in these environments while your eyes are glued to your viewfinder.

Just my two cents!

- don
noisybrain.com
Boston, MA
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Martin Munthe · August 20th, 2002, 03:20 AM

I'd have to agree with Don. Shooting a doc with tye double 16x9 method is very tricky. Focusing the Optex using the internal 16x9 switched on DEMANDS the use of a broadcast monitor on set. The viewfinder and LCD screen is quite unusable. You use such a small part of the CCD that when the focus drifts a little it will look bad at once. The typical DV out of focus look is not very pleasing to the eye since it is very undistinct (unlike 35mm). Autofucusing has a tendency to work bad in the double 16x9 situation.

October 11th, 2001, 02:40 AM	#1
Adam Coward New Boot Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: connecticut, washington D.C, maryland, virginia Posts: 16	gl1 anamorphic 16:9 vs xl1s vs pd150 anamorphic (whew!) Ive been staying up way too late researching these cameras and I was wondering if anyone had any new input for me. I will be filming a short in Vietnam in december and would like a good 16:9 image (perhaps cropped or in the GL1 and pd150 case, anamorphically AND electronically altered for a 2.35:1 ratio) , and would also like to be able to have a good film transfer if all goes well! This is some of the facts I think I have... 1.) xl1s = best image, no 16:9 adapter 2.) pd150 = best low light results, no Canon frame movie mode 3.) gl1= canon frame mode + 16:9 adapter option, lowest overall picture quality Every camera seems to have a fatal flaw! Has anyone tried making 30 full frames in post with the pd150? Anyone used the Century 16:9 adapter with the GL1 or pd150? Right now, I am thinking the gl1 with the 16:9 adapter might not only be the best bet, but the most inexpensive as well... alas, it also seems to have the poorest low light performance! Well, Ive said too much already. I would love to hear other's thoughts!

August 19th, 2002, 04:38 AM	#3
Martin Munthe Major Player Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 331	But you can't go as wide on the XL1 as in the PD150. Your optics gets very limited. This is because you have to step up from the Optex (52mm) to the Canon lens. Theres no stepping up on the Sonys. Yes; there is always a big flaw in these type of cameras. Why? Because they are inexpensive prosumer cameras! The trick is to work around the limitations and invent. __________________ Martin Munthe VFX Supervisor/DP/Director

August 19th, 2002, 11:22 AM	#5
Nathan Gifford Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Tickfaw, LA Posts: 1,217	You could also use a GL2 The GL2, by all reports, has excellent image capabilities. You might want to look at that option. I would love to have access anamorphic for the XL-2 just to test it out, if not keep. __________________ Nathan Gifford Southern Cyclist Magazine & Productions For quick answers try our Search! To see me and Rob Lohman click here

August 19th, 2002, 09:03 PM	#6
Don Berube Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Boston, MA (travel frequently) Posts: 837	Go GL2 for this one Have you ever shot any anamorphic fooatge before? If so, how did it go? Use the GL2, shoot in 4:3 and frame for 16:9 using the 16:9 guidelines. Screw on the Canon WD-58 .7x wide angle adaptor with the new tulip-shaped sunhood and you are golden. That way, you have the image information there in case you have to present your footage in 4:3, plus you have the image information there (at the top or bottom) in case you need to adjust headroom after the fact in post. You are shooting in Vietnam doc-style, correct??? Keep it simple - you will be in a new and far away environment with no rental houses nearby. Bring a GL1 with you as backup - this is VERY important. You will appreciate the fact that the GL2 is grey and not red & white like the older models - this will help you to blend in and look more like a tourist. Keep a low profile and blens, your shots will have less people staring at you and your camera that way. The GL2 also has much better battery life than the GL1 - twice the life now than before. You will appreciate this. Just make sure you bring twice the batteries and twice the tape that you think you will need. The GL2 is also lighter - again, a plus when you are shooting all day long. The GL2 is almost as good as the XL1S in low light, much better than the GL1 - feel free to use +6db gain, it is super clean on the GL2. For audio, go low profile, you need to blend, remember??? Pick up a BeachTek unit rather than the MA-300, again you want to look like a tourist shooting with a home camcorder - the MA-300 looks a bit "too professional" for this shoot I would say. Plus, the BeachTek will add just the right amount of weight to the bottom of the camera, especially if you are using the WD58. Bring a couple of AKG PR81 series wireless UHF mics (or equivalent) - definitely go UHF over VHF,,, a Sennheiser ME66 (you will appreciate the built-in power supply vs. an external mic power supply), a good on-camera shock mount http://www.taiaudio.com/right/sales/salescatalog/micaccessories/images/UnivHotShoe.jpg several XLR cables (5', 15', 25'), a standard dynamic "stick mic" for backup just in case and you are good to go for most scenarios. Bring a pair of Sony MDR-7506 (or equivalent low-impedance headphones) and a couple pairs of ear-bud style headphones. You will appreciate these when you need to be low profile and blend in. Better yet, bring a good soundman with you who can help you with sound, help with lights, grip, etc -and- keep an eye on YOU and the equipment while you are shooting - this is important, as people tend to sneak up on you in these environments while your eyes are glued to your viewfinder. Just my two cents! - don noisybrain.com Boston, MA http://noisybrain.com/donbio.html __________________ DONALD BERUBE - noisybrain. Productions, LLC Director Of Photography/ Producer/ Consultant http://noisybrain.com/donbio.html CREATE and NETWORK with http://www.bosfcpug.org and also http://fcpugnetwork.org

August 20th, 2002, 03:20 AM	#7
Martin Munthe Major Player Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 331	I'd have to agree with Don. Shooting a doc with tye double 16x9 method is very tricky. Focusing the Optex using the internal 16x9 switched on DEMANDS the use of a broadcast monitor on set. The viewfinder and LCD screen is quite unusable. You use such a small part of the CCD that when the focus drifts a little it will look bad at once. The typical DV out of focus look is not very pleasing to the eye since it is very undistinct (unlike 35mm). Autofucusing has a tendency to work bad in the double 16x9 situation. __________________ Martin Munthe VFX Supervisor/DP/Director

August 18th, 2002, 10:58 PM	#2
Jay Henderson Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 45	you can use the optex anamorphic attachment on the xl1/s. there's an adaptor ring for it. zgc.com

August 19th, 2002, 05:45 AM	#4
Jay Henderson Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 45	shooting with an xl1, and the optex anamorphic plus adapter, would your angle of view increase? is using the optex anamorphic attachment plus adapter out of the question with the 3x wide lens? p.s. is this the best they can do!? there really ought to be a better anamorphic solution for XL lenses. i'm looking to shoot in-camera 16x9 plus anamorphic attachment for 2.35:1.....i guess the only way is to use the optex, and sacrifice some zoom range!