XL1s 16x9 guides and Vegas 4 at DVinfo.net

Josh Bass · August 15th, 2003, 12:42 AM

I'm curious. . .how do the 16:9 guides in the XL1s compare to the 16:9 presets in Vegas 4, using the pan crop tool or track motion? I've been using the guides when shooting, and it seems the black bars in Vegas don't cover as much area as they should compared to what I'm framing in camera. Someone sent me a template for 16:9, and it got taken out in the great hard drive crash of '03.

Alex Knappenberger · August 15th, 2003, 12:58 AM

Maybe Canon was smart and cropped off a little more then needed with the guides on the XL1s, to help with peoples generally bad framing. :D

I use the 16:9 preset in the pan/crop tool in vegas all the time, and it seems accurate to me.

Josh Bass · August 15th, 2003, 01:04 AM

Doesn't look right. . .in the XL1s' viewfinder, you can see that lines are further, above and below, the title safe area if the color LCD had markings. In Vegas, it's not even in the title safe area. . .may just cut across the border. I could have my Vegas title/action safes set wrong, according to most editors/viewfinders, but they've never messed me up in the past.

Ken Tanaka · August 15th, 2003, 01:08 AM

Josh,
Actually, there are many versions of "16:9". See Rob Lohman's Letterbox Calculator to get your own templates.

Josh Bass · August 15th, 2003, 02:09 AM

Thanks. Still not entirely sure what the answer is to my question is, though . . .I guess it would depend on finding out what the XL1s' pixel aspect ratio is?

Aaron Koolen · August 15th, 2003, 03:55 AM

Ok, this sucks. When I do LadyX I want to make sure that I'm using the right guides so I don't frame incorrectly.

Can I be certain, that if I use Robs calculator, save the graphic, turn it into a title mix image on the XM2 and frame that way, that I will get the correct framing?

Cheers
Aaron

Rob Lohman · August 15th, 2003, 09:33 AM

Yes Aaron, that is correct. On the Lady X project we are using
my masks. If you stick to those all will be fine!

Josh Bass · August 15th, 2003, 10:19 AM

Are you guys shooting on an XL1s? With the 16:9 guides?

Rob Lohman · August 20th, 2003, 05:53 AM

I'm shooting on an XL1s and using the 16:9 guidelines indeed.
They only deviate from my calculations a tiny bit.

August 15th, 2003, 12:42 AM	#1
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	XL1s 16x9 guides and Vegas 4 I'm curious. . .how do the 16:9 guides in the XL1s compare to the 16:9 presets in Vegas 4, using the pan crop tool or track motion? I've been using the guides when shooting, and it seems the black bars in Vegas don't cover as much area as they should compared to what I'm framing in camera. Someone sent me a template for 16:9, and it got taken out in the great hard drive crash of '03. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

August 15th, 2003, 01:04 AM	#3
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Doesn't look right. . .in the XL1s' viewfinder, you can see that lines are further, above and below, the title safe area if the color LCD had markings. In Vegas, it's not even in the title safe area. . .may just cut across the border. I could have my Vegas title/action safes set wrong, according to most editors/viewfinders, but they've never messed me up in the past. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

August 15th, 2003, 01:08 AM	#4
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Josh, Actually, there are many versions of "16:9". See Rob Lohman's Letterbox Calculator to get your own templates. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

August 15th, 2003, 02:09 AM	#5
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Thanks. Still not entirely sure what the answer is to my question is, though . . .I guess it would depend on finding out what the XL1s' pixel aspect ratio is? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

August 15th, 2003, 03:55 AM	#6
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Ok, this sucks. When I do LadyX I want to make sure that I'm using the right guides so I don't frame incorrectly. Can I be certain, that if I use Robs calculator, save the graphic, turn it into a title mix image on the XM2 and frame that way, that I will get the correct framing? Cheers Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

August 15th, 2003, 12:58 AM	#2
Alex Knappenberger High School Student Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canton, Ohio, USA Posts: 609	Maybe Canon was smart and cropped off a little more then needed with the guides on the XL1s, to help with peoples generally bad framing. :D I use the 16:9 preset in the pan/crop tool in vegas all the time, and it seems accurate to me.

August 15th, 2003, 09:33 AM	#7
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Yes Aaron, that is correct. On the Lady X project we are using my masks. If you stick to those all will be fine! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

August 15th, 2003, 10:19 AM	#8
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Are you guys shooting on an XL1s? With the 16:9 guides? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

August 20th, 2003, 05:53 AM	#9
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I'm shooting on an XL1s and using the 16:9 guidelines indeed. They only deviate from my calculations a tiny bit. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors