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Joachim Hoge · August 10th, 2007, 12:25 PM

Thanks Kevin and Barry.
Kevin, I agree with you completly on the run and gun issues you brough up regarding the "prosumer" cameras. I never feel quite as confident as when using a full size camera. It´s just to fiddely.

However, this documentary is mostly tripod or dolly shots. the shots will be set up and lit and I don´t think it will be a "stressed" procdution.

Barry, thanks for the input on the balance

My main concerne now is the post.
It will be edited on Avid, that´s what the production house have. I won´t be a problem to lock up thee camera for capture, but I´m not happy about giving them trouble in the post proccess.
I would prefere to shoot progressive, but it´s not crucial.
Any thoughts?

EDIT: Am I correct when I think that they have stopped using that useless iris controller of the XL2, and gone back to a wheel?

Marty Hudzik · August 10th, 2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Joachim Hoge

EDIT: Am I correct when I think that they have stopped using that useless iris controller of the XL2, and gone back to a wheel?

They have gone back to wheel indeed.....what were they thinking? However after you get used to the iris being back on the barrell of the lens, you will learn to hate the little wheel. It never bothered me before but now that I see how smooth I can work the iris on the 6x lens.....I hate the little wheel. But I have to deal with it.

Kevin Martorana · August 10th, 2007, 08:34 PM

Joachim,

When you do your post remember....there is no audio coming out of the HD-SDI. Canon did not do that. You must take the RCA's OUT...and convert them to XLR ( or whatever the post house wants)

We use a Convergence Connect box that connects to the H1 via firewire to our Avid Adrenaline.
It combines the HDSDI video and ch. 1 and 2 of audio. The firewire control signal gets converted to RS422 for Avid Control. If you want to capture that way...it work....ok. Not great...but ok. Otherwise...dub all your HDV footage to DVCPro 100 or HDCAM with matching code....then ingest will be a breeze.

Barry..you are right...we too have the Anton Bauer on the back..but with the way the Canon is "off set"...it does make for an unusual hand held experience.

Joachim Hoge · August 11th, 2007, 04:50 AM

Thanks Kevin. I did not know that.
We will probably shoot tape only.
Guess the old DAT would be the easiest way to go if we decide to go HD-SDI out.

Kevin Martorana · August 15th, 2007, 07:59 PM

Joachim,

Just a quick update...I just ingested over 4 hours of HDV from the H1...in 24f into our Avid Adrenaline.

We used the Generic deck settings and a 6 second preroll. It worked very well.

http://www.convergent-design.com/

the HD-Connect SI is the box. It's only $800.00 now. I'm not trying to sell anything...but without that box...I'd say we'd be pretty frustrated with the H1 when it comes to 24f in HD. It of course is doing the pulldown into the Avid.

We set a sequence of 1080 59.94 and the footage looks fabulous.

Joachim Hoge · August 16th, 2007, 03:09 AM

Thanks Kevin.
I´m sorry for my ingnorance when it comes to post-production.
Did you shoot 24f, imported it with the box into a 1080 time line?
Coming from PAL land, is the 59.94 progressive or interlaced.

Thanks.

I found a dealer for the box in Norway, I look into it a bit more. Seems the way to go

Kevin Martorana · August 16th, 2007, 05:57 PM

That's correct.....shoot 24f HD....then in the AVID Adrenaline HD....
You connect to the Convergent Design box....and it captures a 1080i INTERLACED footage. So you can see the 3 progressive frames and the 2 "junk" frames.

Joachim Hoge · September 14th, 2007, 04:49 PM

Hi Kevin.
Just a little update. After trying to decide between a JVC 201 and the H1 for some weeks now, the pressure was on as we start shooting on Tuesday.
A friend of mine called to tell me he knew of a H1 exhibition model that was for sale at 20% discount.
That pretty much made the decision for me.
I´ll pick it up on Monday.
The only thing that annoys me with the H1 is the lens. I would have loved the fully manual JVC, hopfully Canon will release a manual HD lens soon.
Unfortunatly there will always be sacrifices in this price range

I´m thinking of getting a H20 to use as a deck sine I´m getting the camera so cheap

Joachim Hoge · September 14th, 2007, 04:53 PM

PS What tripod do you use with the H1?

Kevin Martorana · September 15th, 2007, 05:09 AM

Joachim,

Agreed...there are some "sacrafices" when working with a camera of this size and budget range. But I will say...when you realize those issues...the picture is the bottom line...and it produces fabulous images.

I use a Vinten 100 Head with a two stage tripod from Vinten.
The H1 is a heavy camera PLUS...if you begin adding accessories to it: ie: Rods, mattebox, Anton Bauer battery holder on back of camera, wireless mics...etc....the camera starts pushing 18 pounds.

So...you need a tripod head that can hand some weight. We also have a Vinten Pro 6 tripod...(we use it for our Panasonic DVX 100a camcorder. Even though it has mattebox, rods and wireless mic on it...the rig still comes in under 6 lbs...and that head can handle it easily. I tried the H1 on that head one time (without all accessories) and it couldn't handle the weight)

Hope this helps.

Joachim Hoge · September 15th, 2007, 01:46 PM

Thanks Kevin.
Thanks for the informative answer. I didn´t realize it would be that heavy.
It makes sense to prepare for it adding pounds. I´ve been thinking of a Sachtler 12 or 15. Hopefully the 12 is enough.

Kevin Martorana · September 16th, 2007, 07:08 AM

12 should do you just fine.....

August 10th, 2007, 12:25 PM	#16
Joachim Hoge Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 402	Thanks Kevin and Barry. Kevin, I agree with you completly on the run and gun issues you brough up regarding the "prosumer" cameras. I never feel quite as confident as when using a full size camera. It´s just to fiddely. However, this documentary is mostly tripod or dolly shots. the shots will be set up and lit and I don´t think it will be a "stressed" procdution. Barry, thanks for the input on the balance My main concerne now is the post. It will be edited on Avid, that´s what the production house have. I won´t be a problem to lock up thee camera for capture, but I´m not happy about giving them trouble in the post proccess. I would prefere to shoot progressive, but it´s not crucial. Any thoughts? EDIT: Am I correct when I think that they have stopped using that useless iris controller of the XL2, and gone back to a wheel?

August 10th, 2007, 08:34 PM	#18
Kevin Martorana Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 250	Joachim, When you do your post remember....there is no audio coming out of the HD-SDI. Canon did not do that. You must take the RCA's OUT...and convert them to XLR ( or whatever the post house wants) We use a Convergence Connect box that connects to the H1 via firewire to our Avid Adrenaline. It combines the HDSDI video and ch. 1 and 2 of audio. The firewire control signal gets converted to RS422 for Avid Control. If you want to capture that way...it work....ok. Not great...but ok. Otherwise...dub all your HDV footage to DVCPro 100 or HDCAM with matching code....then ingest will be a breeze. Barry..you are right...we too have the Anton Bauer on the back..but with the way the Canon is "off set"...it does make for an unusual hand held experience.

August 11th, 2007, 04:50 AM	#19
Joachim Hoge Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 402	Thanks Kevin. I did not know that. We will probably shoot tape only. Guess the old DAT would be the easiest way to go if we decide to go HD-SDI out.

August 15th, 2007, 07:59 PM	#20
Kevin Martorana Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 250	Joachim, Just a quick update...I just ingested over 4 hours of HDV from the H1...in 24f into our Avid Adrenaline. We used the Generic deck settings and a 6 second preroll. It worked very well. http://www.convergent-design.com/ the HD-Connect SI is the box. It's only $800.00 now. I'm not trying to sell anything...but without that box...I'd say we'd be pretty frustrated with the H1 when it comes to 24f in HD. It of course is doing the pulldown into the Avid. We set a sequence of 1080 59.94 and the footage looks fabulous.

August 16th, 2007, 03:09 AM	#21
Joachim Hoge Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 402	Thanks Kevin. I´m sorry for my ingnorance when it comes to post-production. Did you shoot 24f, imported it with the box into a 1080 time line? Coming from PAL land, is the 59.94 progressive or interlaced. Thanks. I found a dealer for the box in Norway, I look into it a bit more. Seems the way to go

August 16th, 2007, 05:57 PM	#22
Kevin Martorana Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 250	That's correct.....shoot 24f HD....then in the AVID Adrenaline HD.... You connect to the Convergent Design box....and it captures a 1080i INTERLACED footage. So you can see the 3 progressive frames and the 2 "junk" frames.

September 14th, 2007, 04:49 PM	#23
Joachim Hoge Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 402	Hi Kevin. Just a little update. After trying to decide between a JVC 201 and the H1 for some weeks now, the pressure was on as we start shooting on Tuesday. A friend of mine called to tell me he knew of a H1 exhibition model that was for sale at 20% discount. That pretty much made the decision for me. I´ll pick it up on Monday. The only thing that annoys me with the H1 is the lens. I would have loved the fully manual JVC, hopfully Canon will release a manual HD lens soon. Unfortunatly there will always be sacrifices in this price range I´m thinking of getting a H20 to use as a deck sine I´m getting the camera so cheap

September 14th, 2007, 04:53 PM	#24
Joachim Hoge Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 402	PS What tripod do you use with the H1?

September 15th, 2007, 05:09 AM	#25
Kevin Martorana Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 250	Joachim, Agreed...there are some "sacrafices" when working with a camera of this size and budget range. But I will say...when you realize those issues...the picture is the bottom line...and it produces fabulous images. I use a Vinten 100 Head with a two stage tripod from Vinten. The H1 is a heavy camera PLUS...if you begin adding accessories to it: ie: Rods, mattebox, Anton Bauer battery holder on back of camera, wireless mics...etc....the camera starts pushing 18 pounds. So...you need a tripod head that can hand some weight. We also have a Vinten Pro 6 tripod...(we use it for our Panasonic DVX 100a camcorder. Even though it has mattebox, rods and wireless mic on it...the rig still comes in under 6 lbs...and that head can handle it easily. I tried the H1 on that head one time (without all accessories) and it couldn't handle the weight) Hope this helps.

September 15th, 2007, 01:46 PM	#26
Joachim Hoge Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 402	Thanks Kevin. Thanks for the informative answer. I didn´t realize it would be that heavy. It makes sense to prepare for it adding pounds. I´ve been thinking of a Sachtler 12 or 15. Hopefully the 12 is enough.

September 16th, 2007, 07:08 AM	#27
Kevin Martorana Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 250	12 should do you just fine.....