Firestore and the H1??? at DVinfo.net

Bruce S. Yarock · October 31st, 2006, 08:44 AM

I have 2 fs-4's that were upgraded to hd. I did a few tests this morning, and have a couple of questions.
1- I was able to record in both 60i and 24f onto the FS-4.I don't know for sure if the 24f clip is ok because I didn't transfer it yet to pc.But the fs-4 seemed to work the same in both frame rates.
2-I then tried to play back from the Fs-4 through the H1. I followed the instrcuctions on p 110, but could view nothing on the H1.
3-I palyed the same clips from the FS-4 through my Sony FX1, and was able to view thw 60i clip with no problem(in the Fx1 lcd).
4-The 24f clip wouldn't play back through the Sony (I had read this, but tried anyways).

Has anyone else been able to get the Fs-4, or any other firestore model, to both record and playback through the H1(in other words, be able to view the playback on the viewfinder)?

Thanks
Bruce S.Yarock
www.yarock.com

John Richard · October 31st, 2006, 09:34 AM

I was under the impression that the Firestore would not work with HDV 24f yet.

Bruce S. Yarock · October 31st, 2006, 11:22 AM

I'll transfer the clip and see if it comes out in Premiere Pro.
Bruce S. Yarock
www.yarock.com

Colin McFadden · October 31st, 2006, 02:33 PM

You can capture 24f on the FS4ProHD, but only in M2T format, not in QuicktimeHDV format. You can use Mpegstreamclip to conver it to another format. On the Mac side, going to a 1080p24 Quicktime with mpegstreamclip works fine and you can then cut in a 1080p24 FCP timeline.

I don't know how Premiere handles 1080p24 in general, but the FS4ProHD can capture the data.

Bruce S. Yarock · October 31st, 2006, 03:51 PM

We edit in Premiere Pro, and were advised to download a trial version of Cineform Aspect HD. It was impossible to view the footage in real time in PPro until we installed Cineform. Now we can view the footage in real time.
But the m2t files created by the Firestore Fs-4 will not work with Cineform. It's in Cineform's Faq, but I tried it anyways....no good.
So I guess i either keep my two Fs-4's for SD shooting, or put them in the classifieds.At least we can shoot in HDV and edit it in PPro.

Bruce S. Yarock
www.yarock.com

Bruce S. Yarock · October 31st, 2006, 04:02 PM

As an afterthought, is there a portable drive similar to firestore that can be used with Cineform Aspect hd?
Bruce Yarock
www.yarock.com

John Richard · November 2nd, 2006, 09:34 AM

Correction - the FS4ProHD DOES indeed record 24f HDV. Tried it myself and (current patch installed) and brought it into my NLE (Edius 3.62) and checked the properties of the clips and they show the correct frame rate.

Please accept my apologies for my mis-statement above.

Steve Rosen · November 2nd, 2006, 10:14 AM

[QUOTE=Colin McFadden]You can capture 24f on the FS4ProHD, but only in M2T format, not in QuicktimeHDV format. You can use Mpegstreamclip to conver it to another format. On the Mac side, going to a 1080p24 Quicktime with mpegstreamclip works fine and you can then cut in a 1080p24 FCP timeline.

Colin: So, to be clear, to use the FS-C (or FS4ProHD) and end up with 24p in FCP I would capture the M2T files (drag and drop) and then use Mpegstreamclip (which is, apparently, available as a freeware download) to convert the clips to 1080p24 QT and edit normally - would my BlackMagic ProHD card work for output to a monitor do you think?...

The other question that comes to mind is - does the image hold up through conversion? Have you compared clips captured traditionally with those captured and converted, and if so, how do they compare? I know it's supposed to be ones and zeros, but I assume that converting the files moves the ones and zeros around a little...

Steve Rosen · November 2nd, 2006, 10:55 AM

Also - There is an (unsubstantiated) rumor that Canon is planning a true 24p camera for the not-to-far-off future.. Knowing how secretive Canon is, and knowing that Sony, Panasonic and JVC all have 24p cameras on the market now, it does seem pretty likely..

If that's so, then 24f will become a short-lived transitional capture format, soon to be replaced - and there would be little interest by Focus Enhancements to dump R&D money into 24f support for their units... So this work-around may remain the best - and only - answer for tapeless 24f capture...

October 31st, 2006, 08:44 AM	#1
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	Firestore and the H1??? I have 2 fs-4's that were upgraded to hd. I did a few tests this morning, and have a couple of questions. 1- I was able to record in both 60i and 24f onto the FS-4.I don't know for sure if the 24f clip is ok because I didn't transfer it yet to pc.But the fs-4 seemed to work the same in both frame rates. 2-I then tried to play back from the Fs-4 through the H1. I followed the instrcuctions on p 110, but could view nothing on the H1. 3-I palyed the same clips from the FS-4 through my Sony FX1, and was able to view thw 60i clip with no problem(in the Fx1 lcd). 4-The 24f clip wouldn't play back through the Sony (I had read this, but tried anyways). Has anyone else been able to get the Fs-4, or any other firestore model, to both record and playback through the H1(in other words, be able to view the playback on the viewfinder)? Thanks Bruce S.Yarock www.yarock.com

October 31st, 2006, 02:33 PM	#4
Colin McFadden Sponsor: divergent media Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 201	You can capture 24f on the FS4ProHD, but only in M2T format, not in QuicktimeHDV format. You can use Mpegstreamclip to conver it to another format. On the Mac side, going to a 1080p24 Quicktime with mpegstreamclip works fine and you can then cut in a 1080p24 FCP timeline. I don't know how Premiere handles 1080p24 in general, but the FS4ProHD can capture the data. __________________ Divergent Media Support www.divergentmedia.com

November 2nd, 2006, 10:14 AM	#8
Steve Rosen Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Monterey, California Posts: 895	[QUOTE=Colin McFadden]You can capture 24f on the FS4ProHD, but only in M2T format, not in QuicktimeHDV format. You can use Mpegstreamclip to conver it to another format. On the Mac side, going to a 1080p24 Quicktime with mpegstreamclip works fine and you can then cut in a 1080p24 FCP timeline. Colin: So, to be clear, to use the FS-C (or FS4ProHD) and end up with 24p in FCP I would capture the M2T files (drag and drop) and then use Mpegstreamclip (which is, apparently, available as a freeware download) to convert the clips to 1080p24 QT and edit normally - would my BlackMagic ProHD card work for output to a monitor do you think?... The other question that comes to mind is - does the image hold up through conversion? Have you compared clips captured traditionally with those captured and converted, and if so, how do they compare? I know it's supposed to be ones and zeros, but I assume that converting the files moves the ones and zeros around a little... Last edited by Steve Rosen; November 2nd, 2006 at 11:06 AM.

October 31st, 2006, 09:34 AM	#2
John Richard Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Incline Village, Nevada Posts: 604	I was under the impression that the Firestore would not work with HDV 24f yet.

October 31st, 2006, 11:22 AM	#3
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	I'll transfer the clip and see if it comes out in Premiere Pro. Bruce S. Yarock www.yarock.com

October 31st, 2006, 03:51 PM	#5
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	We edit in Premiere Pro, and were advised to download a trial version of Cineform Aspect HD. It was impossible to view the footage in real time in PPro until we installed Cineform. Now we can view the footage in real time. But the m2t files created by the Firestore Fs-4 will not work with Cineform. It's in Cineform's Faq, but I tried it anyways....no good. So I guess i either keep my two Fs-4's for SD shooting, or put them in the classifieds.At least we can shoot in HDV and edit it in PPro. Bruce S. Yarock www.yarock.com

October 31st, 2006, 04:02 PM	#6
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	As an afterthought, is there a portable drive similar to firestore that can be used with Cineform Aspect hd? Bruce Yarock www.yarock.com

November 2nd, 2006, 09:34 AM	#7
John Richard Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Incline Village, Nevada Posts: 604	Correction - the FS4ProHD DOES indeed record 24f HDV. Tried it myself and (current patch installed) and brought it into my NLE (Edius 3.62) and checked the properties of the clips and they show the correct frame rate. Please accept my apologies for my mis-statement above.

November 2nd, 2006, 10:55 AM	#9
Steve Rosen Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Monterey, California Posts: 895	Also - There is an (unsubstantiated) rumor that Canon is planning a true 24p camera for the not-to-far-off future.. Knowing how secretive Canon is, and knowing that Sony, Panasonic and JVC all have 24p cameras on the market now, it does seem pretty likely.. If that's so, then 24f will become a short-lived transitional capture format, soon to be replaced - and there would be little interest by Focus Enhancements to dump R&D money into 24f support for their units... So this work-around may remain the best - and only - answer for tapeless 24f capture...