FCP 24 F Support Arrives! at DVinfo.net

Brad Schreiber · September 26th, 2006, 03:22 PM

Mike over at HDFORINDIES.COM just posted that Final Cut Pro has just today released their update, which includes support for 24 F and 25 F modes.

Lee Alford · September 28th, 2006, 08:22 PM

it just works.

great for jvc hd100 & hvx200 p2 users with apple computers too.

Austin Walton · September 28th, 2006, 08:31 PM

Anyone shot/edited anything w/an H1 yet?

Brad Schreiber · September 28th, 2006, 09:55 PM

I directed a 30 minute movie called "My Confession" with it. I'm cutting on Avid Xpress Pro v.5.5. I came up with a workflow which maintains the 24 F progressive structure, and never requires you to put a 3:2 pulldown on the footage. If anyone's interested, I'll post the white paper for it. I'm cutting in an Avid 1080p 23.98 Project.

Simon Duncan · September 29th, 2006, 12:46 AM

Hi Brad,

I am very interested in the AVID Xpress Pro workflow for 24F on the XLH1.

I currrenlty have Xpress Pro 5.2.1
Would your workflow work on this version of Xpress Pro?

Let us all know how you have made this work. Very interested.
Also would you be able to post any examples from "My Confession" using this workflow since I will be shooting a short film soon with the XLH1 and would like to see some drama examples.

Looking forward to your response.

Thanks
Simon

Austin Walton · September 29th, 2006, 07:15 AM

: )

And is there support for 30f in the new FCP Update? Sorry, I'm away from my computer right now (my Mac w/FCP on it ; ) )

Mark L Johnson · September 29th, 2006, 08:09 AM

It's sort of funny, because there isn't a sequence preset for 30F just 24F. There are DVCPro and XDcam 1080 30P but no HDV 30F.

Austin Walton · September 29th, 2006, 08:56 AM

...guess it's time to go shoot some 24f test ftg.

Brad Schreiber · September 29th, 2006, 02:45 PM

Sorry Simon, you need Xpress Pro 5.5. The reason for this is I transcoded my files from raw MPEG transports into Avid DNX Files. To the best of my knowledge, AXP 5.2.1 cannot use DNX. Also, does 5.2.1 support 1080p/23.98 fps projects? That is what you must cut in to maintian progressive structure.
Anyway, my workflow is as follows. Be warned, it is render intensive, I average 3-4 hours of render for each hour of footage, and then you have to import Quicktimes. I have two towers so I was able to double up, but if you have a lot of footage you are in for some long wait times.

Step 1- Install Aspect HD onto your PC. It is $500, but you can download a free two week trial. Aspect can convert the tape in a .m2t file. Just plug the firewire into the Camera, and into your firewire port. Be careful, a data break on your tape will corrupt the file, it's best to load in smaller chunks, and check them.

Step 2-Download MPEG Streamclip. It is freeware. It will take you .m2t and convert it into the Quicktime of your choice. I used Avid DnX 220-23.98 fps.

Step 3-Once you have your Quicktime, import into Avid 1080p/23.98 fps project. This will take 4 hours for a one hour tape (I told you this was render intensive!)

Step 4- Edit, you're done!

I hope this helps. Good luck.

Brad

Simon Duncan · September 30th, 2006, 01:12 AM

Thanks again Brad,

Do you have any examples you could post up of this work?

Thanks again

Karen Nakamura · October 3rd, 2006, 07:52 AM

I shoot with my XL-H1 in 30F and FCP has been just sucking it in fine with the HDV 1080/60i preset. I don't get any of the interlacing artifacts with the XL-H1 that I get when I use footage from my Sony HDR-HC1 (1080/60i only).

FCP may not be doing any special deinterlacing but it does seem to "just work." Please let me know if there's anything different I should be doing.

Karen Nakamura
www.photoethnography.com

Barlow Elton · October 7th, 2006, 10:42 PM

Karen,

HDV 30F works the same way that you could capture and edit "old" XL1 30 fps frame mode material in a DV 29.97 480i timeline.

The difference now is that the new FCP update has specific compatibility with 24F mode, where it recognizes the 24p stream carried with repeat flags (in 29.97 technically) and ignores the unnecessary frames and leaves you with a perfect 24p capture. And with new HDV 1080 24p easy setup, your timeline is 24p and you will render without fields and be able to export correct 24p without any bugaboos.

Jeremiah Thompson · October 20th, 2006, 06:29 PM

Is 24F suppose to be listed as an option when selecting the file format to import with? I downloaded the new FCP update and I don't see 24F listed as an option anywhere. If anyone knows then can you pass on? Thanks!

Chris Hurd · October 20th, 2006, 06:37 PM

Select 24P. As far as Final Cut is concerned, 24F is 24P (which is what we were saying all along anyway).

September 26th, 2006, 03:22 PM	#1
Brad Schreiber Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 96	FCP 24 F Support Arrives! Mike over at HDFORINDIES.COM just posted that Final Cut Pro has just today released their update, which includes support for 24 F and 25 F modes. Last edited by Brad Schreiber; September 26th, 2006 at 03:42 PM. Reason: Headline Clarification

September 28th, 2006, 08:31 PM	#3
Austin Walton Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: TX Posts: 66	And the H1? ; ) Anyone shot/edited anything w/an H1 yet?

September 28th, 2006, 09:55 PM	#4
Brad Schreiber Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 96	I have! I directed a 30 minute movie called "My Confession" with it. I'm cutting on Avid Xpress Pro v.5.5. I came up with a workflow which maintains the 24 F progressive structure, and never requires you to put a 3:2 pulldown on the footage. If anyone's interested, I'll post the white paper for it. I'm cutting in an Avid 1080p 23.98 Project.

September 29th, 2006, 07:15 AM	#6
Austin Walton Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: TX Posts: 66	H1 - 24f - FCP? : ) And is there support for 30f in the new FCP Update? Sorry, I'm away from my computer right now (my Mac w/FCP on it ; ) )

September 29th, 2006, 08:09 AM	#7
Mark L Johnson New Boot Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11	It's sort of funny, because there isn't a sequence preset for 30F just 24F. There are DVCPro and XDcam 1080 30P but no HDV 30F. Attached Images

September 28th, 2006, 08:22 PM	#2
Lee Alford Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA. Posts: 29	it just works. great for jvc hd100 & hvx200 p2 users with apple computers too.

September 29th, 2006, 12:46 AM	#5
Simon Duncan Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Angers, France Posts: 181	Hi Brad, I am very interested in the AVID Xpress Pro workflow for 24F on the XLH1. I currrenlty have Xpress Pro 5.2.1 Would your workflow work on this version of Xpress Pro? Let us all know how you have made this work. Very interested. Also would you be able to post any examples from "My Confession" using this workflow since I will be shooting a short film soon with the XLH1 and would like to see some drama examples. Looking forward to your response. Thanks Simon

September 29th, 2006, 08:56 AM	#8
Austin Walton Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: TX Posts: 66	Thanks for the pic Mark ...guess it's time to go shoot some 24f test ftg. Last edited by Austin Walton; September 29th, 2006 at 10:43 AM.

September 29th, 2006, 02:45 PM	#9
Brad Schreiber Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 96	AXP 5.2.1 will not work Sorry Simon, you need Xpress Pro 5.5. The reason for this is I transcoded my files from raw MPEG transports into Avid DNX Files. To the best of my knowledge, AXP 5.2.1 cannot use DNX. Also, does 5.2.1 support 1080p/23.98 fps projects? That is what you must cut in to maintian progressive structure. Anyway, my workflow is as follows. Be warned, it is render intensive, I average 3-4 hours of render for each hour of footage, and then you have to import Quicktimes. I have two towers so I was able to double up, but if you have a lot of footage you are in for some long wait times. Step 1- Install Aspect HD onto your PC. It is $500, but you can download a free two week trial. Aspect can convert the tape in a .m2t file. Just plug the firewire into the Camera, and into your firewire port. Be careful, a data break on your tape will corrupt the file, it's best to load in smaller chunks, and check them. Step 2-Download MPEG Streamclip. It is freeware. It will take you .m2t and convert it into the Quicktime of your choice. I used Avid DnX 220-23.98 fps. Step 3-Once you have your Quicktime, import into Avid 1080p/23.98 fps project. This will take 4 hours for a one hour tape (I told you this was render intensive!) Step 4- Edit, you're done! I hope this helps. Good luck. Brad

September 30th, 2006, 01:12 AM	#10
Simon Duncan Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Angers, France Posts: 181	Thanks again Brad, Do you have any examples you could post up of this work? Thanks again

October 3rd, 2006, 07:52 AM	#11
Karen Nakamura New Boot Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 5	30F on FCP I shoot with my XL-H1 in 30F and FCP has been just sucking it in fine with the HDV 1080/60i preset. I don't get any of the interlacing artifacts with the XL-H1 that I get when I use footage from my Sony HDR-HC1 (1080/60i only). FCP may not be doing any special deinterlacing but it does seem to "just work." Please let me know if there's anything different I should be doing. Karen Nakamura www.photoethnography.com

October 7th, 2006, 10:42 PM	#12
Barlow Elton Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UT Posts: 945	Karen, HDV 30F works the same way that you could capture and edit "old" XL1 30 fps frame mode material in a DV 29.97 480i timeline. The difference now is that the new FCP update has specific compatibility with 24F mode, where it recognizes the 24p stream carried with repeat flags (in 29.97 technically) and ignores the unnecessary frames and leaves you with a perfect 24p capture. And with new HDV 1080 24p easy setup, your timeline is 24p and you will render without fields and be able to export correct 24p without any bugaboos.

October 20th, 2006, 06:29 PM	#13
Jeremiah Thompson New Boot Join Date: May 2006 Location: Whitefish, Montana Posts: 14	Is 24F suppose to be listed as an option when selecting the file format to import with? I downloaded the new FCP update and I don't see 24F listed as an option anywhere. If anyone knows then can you pass on? Thanks!

October 20th, 2006, 06:37 PM	#14
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Select 24P. As far as Final Cut is concerned, 24F is 24P (which is what we were saying all along anyway). __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!