Another black and white shot at DVinfo.net

Steven Dempsey · May 16th, 2006, 08:03 PM

I'm pretty happy with this new setting (will post later). Here's a shot I took recently:

http://www.realm.cc/upload/disjecta/...ow_angle_1.m2t

Ken Diewert · May 16th, 2006, 10:49 PM

Steven,

That's a nice setup, especially given that it looks like you shot it at mid-morning or mid-afternoon (I'm guessing mid morning as it looks like the tide is dropping). You managed to bring out the detail in the darks and not blow out the lights. I'd like to know the settings. We've been having some un-typical hot, sunny weather on the west coast. I was going to shoot some footage at a kayak festival the other day, but thought the harsh mid-day lighting would just create crap footage.

I wonder how those (exposure) settings would work in colour?

Ken.

Steven Dempsey · May 16th, 2006, 11:18 PM

Ken,

Yes, you were right about it being mid morning and I was very concerned about how I shot this. It was a fine balance between under- and overexposure.

I actually took the same shot with my color settings (documented on this site) The actual exposure is about a 1/2 stop darker using the color. It's the nature of how I have set up the blacks in the bw footage.

Anyway, here's the color version

http://www.realm.cc/upload/disjecta/...ow_angle_1.m2t

Here are the black and white settings:
Gamma: Normal
Knee: Low
Black: Press
Master Ped: -5
Setup Level: -1
Sharpness: 2
H Dtl Freq: Middle
DHV: 0
Coring: 3
NR1: Off
NR2: Off
Color Matrix: Normal
Color Gain: -9
Color Phase: 0
RGN: 0
GGN: 0
BGN: 0
RGM: 0
RBM: 0
GRM: 1
BRM: 0
BGM: 0

Ken Diewert · May 17th, 2006, 12:04 AM

Steven,

Thanks for the settings. The color comes out real cool looking. Meaning it doesn't look nearly as hot as it has been out here. I'll have to try it. I see what you mean about the 1/2 stop, but I'd take it, considering the time of day it was shot. I tend to shy away from the middle 6 or 8 hours of the day. It sure is nice to see that this camera can handle it if you set it up right.

On the other hand the 'Three Kings' style heat has it's place too, which would be fun to try to recreate.

Keep shooting and posting, as a new H1 owner I sure appreciate it.

Ken.

Steven Dempsey · May 17th, 2006, 08:08 AM

Here's another bw shot from the same day demonstrating that, even with the sharpness turned up to 2, there is no stairstepping in thin diagonal lines:

http://www.realm.cc/upload/disjecta/...se_lodging.m2t

Ken Diewert · May 17th, 2006, 10:26 PM

Steven,

I've tried twice today and can't access the site to download the new clip.

Ken.

Steven Dempsey · May 17th, 2006, 10:27 PM

Try it now, I misnamed the file.

Ken Diewert · May 18th, 2006, 12:06 AM

Got it.

That's a tough shot, white building in the sun, but it manages it well.

Funny, I thought I saw some kind of artifacting along the ridgeline of the roof, but on closer inspection it looks like a row of spikes to keep the gulls off.

BTW, have you tried a polarizer filter? I picked up the Canon 3 pack (UV, ND8 and Polarizer) and will play around with it while we've got this weather.

Ken

Chris Hurd · May 21st, 2006, 01:09 PM

Steven's B&W custom preset file is now available for downloading from http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showpost....20&postcount=7

Paul Chiappini · May 22nd, 2006, 08:10 PM

Steven,

Thanks for all of the clips. By any chance have you shot any indoor stuff that you could post?

Thanks,
Paul

Steven Dempsey · May 22nd, 2006, 09:08 PM

I've got a black and white clip I shot with some lights I slapped together.

http://www.realm.cc/upload/disjecta/dolly1.m2t

May 16th, 2006, 08:03 PM	#1
Steven Dempsey Disjecta Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 937	Another black and white shot I'm pretty happy with this new setting (will post later). Here's a shot I took recently: http://www.realm.cc/upload/disjecta/...ow_angle_1.m2t

May 16th, 2006, 10:49 PM	#2
Ken Diewert Trustee Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Vancouver Island, Canada Posts: 1,200	Steven, That's a nice setup, especially given that it looks like you shot it at mid-morning or mid-afternoon (I'm guessing mid morning as it looks like the tide is dropping). You managed to bring out the detail in the darks and not blow out the lights. I'd like to know the settings. We've been having some un-typical hot, sunny weather on the west coast. I was going to shoot some footage at a kayak festival the other day, but thought the harsh mid-day lighting would just create crap footage. I wonder how those (exposure) settings would work in colour? Ken. __________________ C100, 5DMk2, FCPX

May 17th, 2006, 12:04 AM	#4
Ken Diewert Trustee Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Vancouver Island, Canada Posts: 1,200	Steven, Thanks for the settings. The color comes out real cool looking. Meaning it doesn't look nearly as hot as it has been out here. I'll have to try it. I see what you mean about the 1/2 stop, but I'd take it, considering the time of day it was shot. I tend to shy away from the middle 6 or 8 hours of the day. It sure is nice to see that this camera can handle it if you set it up right. On the other hand the 'Three Kings' style heat has it's place too, which would be fun to try to recreate. Keep shooting and posting, as a new H1 owner I sure appreciate it. Ken. __________________ C100, 5DMk2, FCPX

May 17th, 2006, 08:08 AM	#5
Steven Dempsey Disjecta Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 937	Here's another bw shot from the same day demonstrating that, even with the sharpness turned up to 2, there is no stairstepping in thin diagonal lines: http://www.realm.cc/upload/disjecta/...se_lodging.m2t Last edited by Steven Dempsey; May 17th, 2006 at 10:31 PM.

May 17th, 2006, 10:26 PM	#6
Ken Diewert Trustee Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Vancouver Island, Canada Posts: 1,200	Steven, I've tried twice today and can't access the site to download the new clip. Ken. __________________ C100, 5DMk2, FCPX

May 16th, 2006, 11:18 PM	#3
Steven Dempsey Disjecta Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 937	Ken, Yes, you were right about it being mid morning and I was very concerned about how I shot this. It was a fine balance between under- and overexposure. I actually took the same shot with my color settings (documented on this site) The actual exposure is about a 1/2 stop darker using the color. It's the nature of how I have set up the blacks in the bw footage. Anyway, here's the color version http://www.realm.cc/upload/disjecta/...ow_angle_1.m2t Here are the black and white settings: Gamma: Normal Knee: Low Black: Press Master Ped: -5 Setup Level: -1 Sharpness: 2 H Dtl Freq: Middle DHV: 0 Coring: 3 NR1: Off NR2: Off Color Matrix: Normal Color Gain: -9 Color Phase: 0 RGN: 0 GGN: 0 BGN: 0 RGM: 0 RBM: 0 GRM: 1 BRM: 0 BGM: 0

May 17th, 2006, 10:27 PM	#7
Steven Dempsey Disjecta Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 937	Try it now, I misnamed the file.

May 18th, 2006, 12:06 AM	#8
Ken Diewert Trustee Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Vancouver Island, Canada Posts: 1,200	Got it. That's a tough shot, white building in the sun, but it manages it well. Funny, I thought I saw some kind of artifacting along the ridgeline of the roof, but on closer inspection it looks like a row of spikes to keep the gulls off. BTW, have you tried a polarizer filter? I picked up the Canon 3 pack (UV, ND8 and Polarizer) and will play around with it while we've got this weather. Ken __________________ C100, 5DMk2, FCPX

May 21st, 2006, 01:09 PM	#9
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Steven's B&W custom preset file is now available for downloading from http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showpost....20&postcount=7 __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

May 22nd, 2006, 08:10 PM	#10
Paul Chiappini Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Idaho Posts: 89	Steven, Thanks for all of the clips. By any chance have you shot any indoor stuff that you could post? Thanks, Paul

May 22nd, 2006, 09:08 PM	#11
Steven Dempsey Disjecta Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 937	I've got a black and white clip I shot with some lights I slapped together. http://www.realm.cc/upload/disjecta/dolly1.m2t