Canon XLH1 and Macintosh F C Pro at DVinfo.net

Rodney Compton · May 4th, 2006, 07:34 AM

Final Cut Pro and HDV

Not quite taken the plunge yet guys, but it will likely be Canon when I do. What is all the Hoo - Ha about problems editing Canon HDV footage in Final Cut Pro and what is the best Macontosh configuration.

Rod C

Kristian Indrehus · May 4th, 2006, 10:29 AM

European models (25F) no problem. Record HDV. Don´t worry about the MPEG2, it looks stunning. Use good tapes to prevent dropouts. Capture using HDV or Apple Intermediate capture presets. Edit in a sequence using HDV 1080i50 compressor (25F and 50i are both interlaced streams) and 1440x1080 frame size. I have a G5 dual 2mhz and it works fine with two streams in multicam, but don´t expect more than color correction in real-time. With 4 streams it´s still playing but preview starts to degrade.

The cam itself is amazing.

Rodney Compton · May 4th, 2006, 12:09 PM

Hi,

Thanks for that. What version of FCP are we talking about please?

I am looking to set up a complete editing suite. What card and monitor do you use? Any other tips.

Last comments - re Camera; Do you care to expand on comments re amazing.

Rod C

Kristian Indrehus · May 4th, 2006, 01:12 PM

You need at least FCP 5.0 to edit HDV, but the latest 5.1 universal upgrade renders quicker on Intel processors as well as power PC's and you need all the horsepower you can afford.

I use a Sony 800-lines CRT monitor and Black Magic Deck-link. It´s all SD, the card down-converts realtime. I plan to upgrade to HD soon, maybe somebody else here can recommend good options.

Amazing:
I have carried a JVC GY-DV500 with a good Canon lens for almost three years and it always gave better results than cameras like PD-170 and DVX-100. Still I was never really satisfied. Now I am. XL-H1 is just a hole new world. Feels like 16mm or better. A very pleasent look and color correcting feels more like tweaking 4:2:2 colors though MPEG is indeed 4:2:0. 25F is interlaced stream but looks as progressive as can be. I was a bit worried about the automatic lens. Turns out to be a big help in many ways. HD is very critical when it comes to focus and a small LCD WF is not sharp enough to focus properly. Anyway, to have this kind of quality from a cam this size is pure joy. I simply love it. You can´t go wrong with this one.

Johan Forssblad · January 1st, 2008, 04:35 PM

Hej Kristian,
I'm still a bit confused by the setting of FCP for XL H1 25F material. Should the 1080i50 or the newer 1080p25 setting be preferred when editing in Final Cut Pro? Both seems to work.

Kristian Indrehus · January 2nd, 2008, 03:59 AM

Johan, I believe both ways work because the 25F stream itself is interlaced. Each of the two fields of 25F are showing half a progressiv frame. When played back the two fields appear as one progressive frame much like the prosess of actual film telecined to interlaced video for broadcast.

I don't claim to be an expert here but this is how I believe it to be.

In FCP I would choose 1080P25 to make shure no material including effects renders as interlaced.

Godt Nytt År!

Kristian Indrehus · January 2nd, 2008, 04:05 AM

Johan, I believe both ways work because the 25F stream itself is interlaced. Each of the two fields of 25F are showing half a progressiv frame. When played back the two fields appear as one progressive frame much like the prosess of actual film telecined to interlaced video for broadcast.

I don't claim to be an expert here but this is how I believe it to be.

In FCP I would choose 1080P25 to make shure no material including effects renders as interlaced.

Godt Nytt År!

May 4th, 2006, 07:34 AM	#1
Rodney Compton Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London Posts: 90	Canon XLH1 and Macintosh F C Pro Final Cut Pro and HDV Not quite taken the plunge yet guys, but it will likely be Canon when I do. What is all the Hoo - Ha about problems editing Canon HDV footage in Final Cut Pro and what is the best Macontosh configuration. Rod C

May 4th, 2006, 10:29 AM	#2
Kristian Indrehus Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 123	European models (25F) no problem. Record HDV. Don´t worry about the MPEG2, it looks stunning. Use good tapes to prevent dropouts. Capture using HDV or Apple Intermediate capture presets. Edit in a sequence using HDV 1080i50 compressor (25F and 50i are both interlaced streams) and 1440x1080 frame size. I have a G5 dual 2mhz and it works fine with two streams in multicam, but don´t expect more than color correction in real-time. With 4 streams it´s still playing but preview starts to degrade. The cam itself is amazing. Attached Thumbnails

May 4th, 2006, 12:09 PM	#3
Rodney Compton Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London Posts: 90	Scandinavia rules o.k Hi, Thanks for that. What version of FCP are we talking about please? I am looking to set up a complete editing suite. What card and monitor do you use? Any other tips. Last comments - re Camera; Do you care to expand on comments re amazing. Rod C

January 2nd, 2008, 03:59 AM	#6
Kristian Indrehus Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 123	-- Johan, I believe both ways work because the 25F stream itself is interlaced. Each of the two fields of 25F are showing half a progressiv frame. When played back the two fields appear as one progressive frame much like the prosess of actual film telecined to interlaced video for broadcast. I don't claim to be an expert here but this is how I believe it to be. In FCP I would choose 1080P25 to make shure no material including effects renders as interlaced. Godt Nytt År! __________________ I love my XL-H1, FC Studio2, MacPro 3Ghz QuadCore.

January 2nd, 2008, 04:05 AM	#7
Kristian Indrehus Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 123	-- Johan, I believe both ways work because the 25F stream itself is interlaced. Each of the two fields of 25F are showing half a progressiv frame. When played back the two fields appear as one progressive frame much like the prosess of actual film telecined to interlaced video for broadcast. I don't claim to be an expert here but this is how I believe it to be. In FCP I would choose 1080P25 to make shure no material including effects renders as interlaced. Godt Nytt År! __________________ I love my XL-H1, FC Studio2, MacPro 3Ghz QuadCore.

May 4th, 2006, 01:12 PM	#4
Kristian Indrehus Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 123	You need at least FCP 5.0 to edit HDV, but the latest 5.1 universal upgrade renders quicker on Intel processors as well as power PC's and you need all the horsepower you can afford. I use a Sony 800-lines CRT monitor and Black Magic Deck-link. It´s all SD, the card down-converts realtime. I plan to upgrade to HD soon, maybe somebody else here can recommend good options. Amazing: I have carried a JVC GY-DV500 with a good Canon lens for almost three years and it always gave better results than cameras like PD-170 and DVX-100. Still I was never really satisfied. Now I am. XL-H1 is just a hole new world. Feels like 16mm or better. A very pleasent look and color correcting feels more like tweaking 4:2:2 colors though MPEG is indeed 4:2:0. 25F is interlaced stream but looks as progressive as can be. I was a bit worried about the automatic lens. Turns out to be a big help in many ways. HD is very critical when it comes to focus and a small LCD WF is not sharp enough to focus properly. Anyway, to have this kind of quality from a cam this size is pure joy. I simply love it. You can´t go wrong with this one.

January 1st, 2008, 04:35 PM	#5
Johan Forssblad Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Vittsjö, SKÅNE, SWEDEN Posts: 266	Hej Kristian, I'm still a bit confused by the setting of FCP for XL H1 25F material. Should the 1080i50 or the newer 1080p25 setting be preferred when editing in Final Cut Pro? Both seems to work.