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Starting from Scratch with XLH1... advice sought
After 10 years away from film/video, I'm getting back in so I could use some advice. I've logged about 50 hours on this site in the past month. Great Stuff.
I will be shooting the following: - Wildlife (birds mostly), Nature, Flyfishing on location with output to DVD and local TV. As well as indie docs, dramatic shorts, instructional, industrial etc. but will start mostly with the above. I was initially looking at the XL2 but have decided to upgrade to the H1 for the HDV. I will be buying just after NAB so things may change but as it stands, the H1 is for me. The dealer will throw in a couple of BP970 batteries. Other gear is Manfrotto 503/525 tripod/head, Kata raincover, Dino Hardcase, Kata softcase, Seen Me-66 + K6 power module, Senn EW112PG2 wireless, fishpole with windshield and jammer. All totalled close to 5k CDN for accessories. The big thing about stepping up to the H1 is posting in HDV. What I need help with is peripheral gear. I know if you wanna shoot HDV you've gotta be ready edit in HDV, so I have to decide what system(s) match up best with the H1...? - Mac vs PC. (I have never owned a Mac), - Premiere Pro vs Avid vs FCP vs Vegas - Cineform hardware accelerator vs Canopus (or other) I intend to buy a dedicated edit system. I have about 6k left for Hardware/Software but may need a little more. I looked at the Boxx Technologies turn-key systems and was a bit scared off by the price for their HDV systems. I have dealt a lot with Dell, though I don't know if their systems are robust enough to handle HDV. Thanks for the help. |
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you should really look at other tripod systems. there are others that work better for outdoor shooting, Miller makes a very light weight system. Also look at the 1.6 extender for bird and wildlife shooting. forget about the on board batts, goto IDX booth, they make a vlock batt that will clip on the back suppport plate, You can shoot for several hours on one of these batts. What kind of sound requirements are you needing??
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I also have the Senn wireless. Very nice system. They are a bit power hungry for the two AA batteries, and they don't tolerate weak batteries well (adds noise), so keep fresh batteries on hand. Best, Christopher |
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I'll get a price on the 1.6. I used to have one with my old L1 and was really happy with it. Just didn't know if it would hold up to HD. I have an EF 70-300 EOS that may work well but the EF adapter is $650 CDN. For that money I'd really like to get the M2 35mm adapter from redrock, as an old film student I love playing with the shallow depth of field. The dealer recommended the IDX, but I'm sure he said it was like $1800 CDN. I do like the idea of the lock on to the back support plate as this would balance the camera from what I hear. As far as sound I was just looking for a system that would suit several needs, I will likely use the ME-66 on the fishpole with a sound tech and the wireless for interviews etc. A few years ago, I went to Costa Rica and shot some great footage but the on board sound was real weak. I'm also considering spending 1k on an EWA underwater housing, just to drop under to shoot salmon in the river taking a fly. Just a matter of priorities. Thanks for the replies |
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Maybe I'm not looking at equal systems, but I just thought that Boxx seemed pretty high priced. What NLE software are you using? |
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The XL-H1 and CineForm CFHD codec work well with Serious Magic Ultra, and creating chroma keys with progressive HD source is a major step forward. Best, Christopher |
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Christopher,
Curious why you say not to use an Athlon X64 for an Adobe+Cineform setup? I recently built my first AMD system (X2 4800+) for use with the XL-H1, Adobe Production Bundle, and Cineform Aspect -- it seems to be working quite nicely. Are there potential issues?
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Ken: I've used the XL-1s extensively for wildlife shooting, and have recently rented the XL-H1 for a couple of indoor shoots. Here's my advice regarding your RFC:
- Batteries: XL-H1 battery life is _much_ improved over the XL-1s. The stock 5200 mAh battery lasts as long as 4 hours (w/ IS enabled). - XL-Extender: Was never impressed with it on the XL-1s (soft, reduced contrast), but looked reasonable on XL-H1, although I noticed some odd bokeh artefacts/CA. I also own the EF-Extender, and it has a lot going for it for wildlife (maintains IS capability of EF-lenses - that's a biggie for birds!!). Didn't have much time to test it with the XL-H1, but Canon states that primes should be fine for HD. At any rate, I would only use L-series or other high-quality lenses (50mm f/1.4, 100mm f/2.8 macro). The EF-Extender may be particularly interesting if you're also shooting stills with Canon (D-)SLRs - fewer lenses to carry. - Audio: have you thought about a parabolic mic? I don't have any experience with them, but I'd sure love to try one sometime. See http://www.parabs.com for more info... Also, for run-and-gun stuff with the stock mic, you may want to look at the Lightwave Equalizer EQ-XL1 - Support: I own Manfrotto sticks with the 503 head, and I could be happier. Very sticky when cold, often difficult to start movements smoothly. - Editing: I'm a Mac man, and like FCP a lot. To get your feet wet, you may want to buy the fastest Intel-based Mac mini or iMac CoreDuo and buy FCP 4 or higher on eBay, then use the Final Cut Sudio Universal Crossgrade offer to upgrade cheaply: http://www.apple.com/universal/crossgrade/ This will give you a taste of what the OS and FCP are like. For more serious storage and GPU-options, you should be able to buy an Intel-based Power Mac G5 successor in Q3 or Q4 of this year, although the iMac Core Duo with external FireWire storage will carry you far for HDV-work. I wouldn't buy a G5 at the moment, unless you are heavily dependent on Adobe Creative Suite (on the Mac). Edit: any Intel-based Mac will let you run Windows in parallel (i.e. w/o re-booting) with the Mac OS at very close to full performance - see http://www.parallels.com/ for details. HTH, Ron |
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I was cruising the Cineform FAQ and they have a quasi blueprint for starting up and recommend the AMD Dual Opteron over the Dual Xeon for HDV editing. Ken |
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Yeah, I was thinkinking parabolic... thanks for the link. I was thinking that i might be able to find a parabolic housing for the Senn mics. Ken |
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I don't recommend HDV native editing at all. If you like to color-correct and composite, it's just a HARSH pass of compression to footage that is already MASSIVELY compressed technically. If you do mostly cuts only editing with simple transitions, it's ok.
The future is HD-DVD's or Blu-Ray and so editing in a better compression format such as Cineform is probably the better choice, IMHO. HDV is quite render heavy overall. I use FCP and generally edit H1 material in DVCProHD or PhotoJPEG through SDI card captures. 24F editing in a true 24P timeline is a kludge in FCP right now, but Cineform and Premiere Pro offer true 24P capture/editing of 24F material right now, and the quality is nearly lossless from the original. If you're comfortable on the PC platform, Cineform is the way I'd go. |
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Thanks, I've read enough to be convinced that Cineform is the way to go... I'm having second thoughts though about PPro 2. On Cineform website, they talk about PP bugs. So I have been re-looking at Vegas w CF HD Connect. I downloaded the trial version a couple of weeks ago and it feels great... on DV. I had always thought that PPro was the PC's best, but maybe not??? Ken |
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