Another Clip of Graded XLH1 Footage for you download at DVinfo.net

Michael Pappas · January 19th, 2006, 02:35 PM

This is a simple basic scratch pad graded clip that I did from my friend
Barlow Eltons footage filmed in Utah. I went for a very dramatic warm
tone, but at the same time tried hold the blue white tones of the snow.
There is a lot of room to work with in footage from the
XLH1- This is a 1280x720 down convert to .h264. There is
also a jpeg of a comparison from of the original and the graded version as well

Link: Footage
http://www.pbase.com/arrfilms

Michael Pappas
Arrfilms@hotmail.com
PappasArts & Arrfilms Main site

CONTACT VIA AOL INSTANT MESSENGER
AT { PAPPASARTS2 }

XLH1 and HVX200 frame grabs and news here:
http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms

http://www.PappasArts.com
http://www.Myspace.com/PappasArts

Shannon Rawls · January 19th, 2006, 05:03 PM

Mike,

Are you available for hire as a colorist? (post-production color correction for those wondering what that is?)

Just curious. I'd like to add you to my contacts.

- ShannonRawls.com

Jim Giberti · January 19th, 2006, 05:31 PM

What I want to shout to Barlow is - "get into that menu and adlust that camera!"

Seriously, all of the clips I've seen from Barlow look like the standard flat image quality of the stock XL2 (not the res obviously).

Those colors and blacks need to punched up before post..then you'd have even a better start to grading.

You'd never want to produce anything out of the camera that dull..especially in already flat, grey, western winter.

Michael Pappas · January 19th, 2006, 06:38 PM

Actually for grading, it's best to shoot flat. That's gives your more room to go either way. I have been involved with HD since the late 80's; it was the same then, and it's the same now. Of-course, I was taught another rule in art. The first rule is: ""There are no rules" It sucks to see it flat, but you just....

Link: Footage
http://www.pbase.com/arrfilms

Michael Pappas
Arrfilms@hotmail.com
PappasArts & Arrfilms Main site

CONTACT VIA AOL INSTANT MESSENGER
AT { PAPPASARTS2 }

XLH1 and HVX200 frame grabs and news here:
http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms

http://www.PappasArts.com
http://www.Myspace.com/PappasArts

Jim Giberti · January 19th, 2006, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Pappas

Actually for grading, it's best to shoot flat. That's gives your more room to go either way. I have been involved with HD since the late 80's; it was the same then, and it's the same now. Of-course, I was taught another rule in art. The first rule is: ""There are no rules" It sucks to see it flat, but you just....

Not in my world Michael...not with any compressed format in audio or video production.

"Fixing it in the mix" is never preferable to accurate aquisition.
The XLs preprocessing willl always be better than a post compressed processed image using the HDV codec...that's why there are custom presets.

The XL-H1 like the XL2 simply do not look good at default.
They need to be adjusted before shooting for maximum image quality.

I ask that of Barlow also because he's one of the few people putting XL-H1 footage on line and frankly it looks clean but flat and boring which is what people see when comparing it to, say the HVX...very misleading as to what this camera is actually capable of shooting.

Michael Pappas · January 19th, 2006, 07:19 PM

HDV is only good for acquisitionc in my opinion. I'm sorry I should clarified my position.

People should be using a Kona card- Black magic card to capture HDV material via SDI etc or get to a non compressed, Photo-jpeg or even DVCporHD 1080 file in my opinion.

But you never use HDV for post work in my opinion.. Oh god no; not were high end broadcast or film work is involved. Again I should have clarified were I and my friends stand on this subject.

Link: Footage
http://www.pbase.com/arrfilms

Michael Pappas
Arrfilms@hotmail.com
PappasArts & Arrfilms Main site

CONTACT VIA AOL INSTANT MESSENGER
AT { PAPPASARTS2 }

XLH1 and HVX200 frame grabs and news here:
http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms

http://www.PappasArts.com
http://www.Myspace.com/PappasArts

Jim Giberti · January 19th, 2006, 07:23 PM

As usual we're on the same page.

Barlow Elton · January 19th, 2006, 10:53 PM

Hey Jim,

Trust me, I understand what you're saying. I'm busy shooting this weekend, but I will tweak the camera and post different in-camera looks online as time permits. I'll do my best to be specific as to what was adjusted.

There'll be better stuff soon enough.

Sergio Perez · January 20th, 2006, 02:26 AM

Barlow, haven't seen this new batch of videos. I posted a request for Shannon on his "second purchase" thread. I didn't know you were going to do the same type of testing, so, if you could, please do in camera looks in order for os to get a picture of what we can expect of this camera compared, for example, to the Hvx.

Once again, thank you Pappas and Barlow for all the hard work and information you are giving us folks. Now if you had a comparison of both Hvx and H1 footage... :)

Robert Sanders · January 20th, 2006, 03:30 PM

When digitizing the XL-H1 using a Blackmagic DeckLink Pro card, do you have to import the audio separately. I heard the audio does not come through the HD-SDI port.

What DeckLink preset should be used for 24F?

What is your workflow?

Jim Giberti · January 20th, 2006, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barlow Elton

Hey Jim,

Trust me, I understand what you're saying. I'm busy shooting this weekend, but I will tweak the camera and post different in-camera looks online as time permits. I'll do my best to be specific as to what was adjusted.

There'll be better stuff soon enough.

I've got some down time for a change and I'm either going to take a day in NYC at B&H and test the XL-H1, HD-100 and HVX and decide which to take home or rent them and shoot them all at the farm and decide which to keep.
I'm leaning toward getting the cameras up here next week and having time to compare them in controlled shoots.
I'm not interested in charts, but lit indoor and outdoor comparisons.

Geoff Tompkinson · January 24th, 2006, 04:30 AM

Hi,

Hi, I'm a relative beginner with all this so bear with me.

I've downloaded some of these clips to help me evaluate this camera but cannot play them. I presume I am missing some form of codec for quicktime or something.

Could someone please enlighten me.

Thanks

Geoff

January 19th, 2006, 02:35 PM	#1
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	Another Clip of Graded XLH1 Footage for you download This is a simple basic scratch pad graded clip that I did from my friend Barlow Eltons footage filmed in Utah. I went for a very dramatic warm tone, but at the same time tried hold the blue white tones of the snow. There is a lot of room to work with in footage from the XLH1- This is a 1280x720 down convert to .h264. There is also a jpeg of a comparison from of the original and the graded version as well Link: Footage http://www.pbase.com/arrfilms Michael Pappas Arrfilms@hotmail.com PappasArts & Arrfilms Main site CONTACT VIA AOL INSTANT MESSENGER AT { PAPPASARTS2 } XLH1 and HVX200 frame grabs and news here: http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms http://www.PappasArts.com http://www.Myspace.com/PappasArts

January 19th, 2006, 05:03 PM	#2
Shannon Rawls Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 853	Mike, Are you available for hire as a colorist? (post-production color correction for those wondering what that is?) Just curious. I'd like to add you to my contacts. - ShannonRawls.com __________________ Shannon W. Rawls ~ Motion Picture Producer & huge advocate of Digital Acquisition.

January 20th, 2006, 02:26 AM	#9
Sergio Perez Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Macau Posts: 331	Barlow, haven't seen this new batch of videos. I posted a request for Shannon on his "second purchase" thread. I didn't know you were going to do the same type of testing, so, if you could, please do in camera looks in order for os to get a picture of what we can expect of this camera compared, for example, to the Hvx. Once again, thank you Pappas and Barlow for all the hard work and information you are giving us folks. Now if you had a comparison of both Hvx and H1 footage... :) __________________ If you don't believe in your film, no one else will.

January 20th, 2006, 03:30 PM	#10
Robert Sanders Starway Pictures Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Studio City Posts: 581	When digitizing the XL-H1 using a Blackmagic DeckLink Pro card, do you have to import the audio separately. I heard the audio does not come through the HD-SDI port. What DeckLink preset should be used for 24F? What is your workflow? __________________ http://www.starwaypictures.com http://starwaypictures.blogspot.com/

January 24th, 2006, 04:30 AM	#12
Geoff Tompkinson New Boot Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bad Goisern, Austria Posts: 21	how to play in quicktime? Hi, Hi, I'm a relative beginner with all this so bear with me. I've downloaded some of these clips to help me evaluate this camera but cannot play them. I presume I am missing some form of codec for quicktime or something. Could someone please enlighten me. Thanks Geoff

January 19th, 2006, 05:31 PM	#3
Jim Giberti Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bethel, VT Posts: 824	What I want to shout to Barlow is - "get into that menu and adlust that camera!" Seriously, all of the clips I've seen from Barlow look like the standard flat image quality of the stock XL2 (not the res obviously). Those colors and blacks need to punched up before post..then you'd have even a better start to grading. You'd never want to produce anything out of the camera that dull..especially in already flat, grey, western winter.

January 19th, 2006, 06:38 PM	#4
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	Actually for grading, it's best to shoot flat. That's gives your more room to go either way. I have been involved with HD since the late 80's; it was the same then, and it's the same now. Of-course, I was taught another rule in art. The first rule is: ""There are no rules" It sucks to see it flat, but you just.... Link: Footage http://www.pbase.com/arrfilms Michael Pappas Arrfilms@hotmail.com PappasArts & Arrfilms Main site CONTACT VIA AOL INSTANT MESSENGER AT { PAPPASARTS2 } XLH1 and HVX200 frame grabs and news here: http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms http://www.PappasArts.com http://www.Myspace.com/PappasArts

January 19th, 2006, 07:19 PM	#6
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	HDV is only good for acquisitionc in my opinion. I'm sorry I should clarified my position. People should be using a Kona card- Black magic card to capture HDV material via SDI etc or get to a non compressed, Photo-jpeg or even DVCporHD 1080 file in my opinion. But you never use HDV for post work in my opinion.. Oh god no; not were high end broadcast or film work is involved. Again I should have clarified were I and my friends stand on this subject. Link: Footage http://www.pbase.com/arrfilms Michael Pappas Arrfilms@hotmail.com PappasArts & Arrfilms Main site CONTACT VIA AOL INSTANT MESSENGER AT { PAPPASARTS2 } XLH1 and HVX200 frame grabs and news here: http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms http://www.PappasArts.com http://www.Myspace.com/PappasArts

January 19th, 2006, 07:23 PM	#7
Jim Giberti Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bethel, VT Posts: 824	As usual we're on the same page.

January 19th, 2006, 10:53 PM	#8
Barlow Elton Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UT Posts: 945	Hey Jim, Trust me, I understand what you're saying. I'm busy shooting this weekend, but I will tweak the camera and post different in-camera looks online as time permits. I'll do my best to be specific as to what was adjusted. There'll be better stuff soon enough.