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Jonas Nystrom · January 13th, 2006, 08:43 AM

How to get the shallow Depth of Field with XL H1? Yeah, I know the expensive and great PS Mini35? But have anyone some other suggestions? Have anyone tried Cinemeks G35 or Micro35? Or any other primes? Thankful for any ideas!

Rob Lohman · January 13th, 2006, 08:52 AM

Jonas: please do a search on the forum here. There are probably hundreds of
threads on this topic in the film look forum and Alternative Imaging Methods
forum (to build a 35mm adapter yourself).

Since you posted this question in the XL H1 forum I'm assuming you want one
for that camera? As far as I know there is no other adapter for that camera
other than the mini35.

Pete Tomov · January 13th, 2006, 08:54 AM

Well, I haven't tested anything other than the mini35(and I really don't like it)but from what I've seen my money are on the G35.I'm buying one as soon as...they start selling them.

Jonas Nystrom · January 13th, 2006, 09:02 AM

Yes, for my XL H1! So is there any other way to get it? In fact it seems, to go over the sea for water, to use any 3:rd party adapter! Why project the image (as in Mini35) and then "do the filming"! Strange! Isn't there any Hi-tech new HD lens with a shallow depth algoritm?

Boyd Ostroff · January 13th, 2006, 09:10 AM

I think it's all about the size of the CCD's, which is very small on the H1 and every other 1/3" camcorder. To get into the nuts and bolts, read Jeff Donald's "Ultimate Depth-of-field Skinny" in the DVinfo articles section:

http://dvinfo.net/articles/optics/dofskinny.php

Rob Lohman · January 13th, 2006, 09:12 AM

That's not possible Jonas. Please read up on depth of field. Any (current) (H)DV
camera out on the market has way too small sensor to get a shallow DoF.
That's why the adapters exist. They "convert" a 35mm image to something
your camera can handle while retaining the characteristics you want.

See our detailed article on this matter: http://www.dvinfo.net/articles/optics/dofskinny.php

Edit: Boyd and myself roughly posted at the same time. But that goes to show
what you need to read :)

Jonas Nystrom · January 13th, 2006, 09:23 AM

I red it - you need the adapter or a good Art Director to put out excess information! Or maybe I can try a Tilt & Shift SLR lens - anyone tried?

January 13th, 2006, 08:43 AM	#1
Jonas Nystrom Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Göteborg, Sweden Posts: 306	Hollywood is soo shallow! How to get the shallow Depth of Field with XL H1? Yeah, I know the expensive and great PS Mini35? But have anyone some other suggestions? Have anyone tried Cinemeks G35 or Micro35? Or any other primes? Thankful for any ideas! __________________ Jonas Nyström, DoP :: HOT SHOT® SWEDEN :: www.hotshot.nu :: RED #1567, RED 18-50mm T3 :: XL A1, Letus Extreme :: XL H1, 20X & 6X lens (for sale) :: www.vimeo.com/nystrom

January 13th, 2006, 08:52 AM	#2
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Jonas: please do a search on the forum here. There are probably hundreds of threads on this topic in the film look forum and Alternative Imaging Methods forum (to build a 35mm adapter yourself). Since you posted this question in the XL H1 forum I'm assuming you want one for that camera? As far as I know there is no other adapter for that camera other than the mini35. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 13th, 2006, 09:02 AM	#4
Jonas Nystrom Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Göteborg, Sweden Posts: 306	"How to get the shallow Depth of Field with XL H1?" Yes, for my XL H1! So is there any other way to get it? In fact it seems, to go over the sea for water, to use any 3:rd party adapter! Why project the image (as in Mini35) and then "do the filming"! Strange! Isn't there any Hi-tech new HD lens with a shallow depth algoritm? __________________ Jonas Nyström, DoP :: HOT SHOT® SWEDEN :: www.hotshot.nu :: RED #1567, RED 18-50mm T3 :: XL A1, Letus Extreme :: XL H1, 20X & 6X lens (for sale) :: www.vimeo.com/nystrom

January 13th, 2006, 09:12 AM	#6
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	That's not possible Jonas. Please read up on depth of field. Any (current) (H)DV camera out on the market has way too small sensor to get a shallow DoF. That's why the adapters exist. They "convert" a 35mm image to something your camera can handle while retaining the characteristics you want. See our detailed article on this matter: http://www.dvinfo.net/articles/optics/dofskinny.php Edit: Boyd and myself roughly posted at the same time. But that goes to show what you need to read :) __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 13th, 2006, 09:23 AM	#7
Jonas Nystrom Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Göteborg, Sweden Posts: 306	OK your right! I red it - you need the adapter or a good Art Director to put out excess information! Or maybe I can try a Tilt & Shift SLR lens - anyone tried? __________________ Jonas Nyström, DoP :: HOT SHOT® SWEDEN :: www.hotshot.nu :: RED #1567, RED 18-50mm T3 :: XL A1, Letus Extreme :: XL H1, 20X & 6X lens (for sale) :: www.vimeo.com/nystrom

January 13th, 2006, 08:54 AM	#3
Pete Tomov Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 106	Well, I haven't tested anything other than the mini35(and I really don't like it)but from what I've seen my money are on the G35.I'm buying one as soon as...they start selling them.

January 13th, 2006, 09:10 AM	#5
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	I think it's all about the size of the CCD's, which is very small on the H1 and every other 1/3" camcorder. To get into the nuts and bolts, read Jeff Donald's "Ultimate Depth-of-field Skinny" in the DVinfo articles section: http://dvinfo.net/articles/optics/dofskinny.php