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Kevin Wild · November 8th, 2005, 05:45 PM

Now that some people have tested this camera, is there a solution out there yet for the playback/capture of 1080/24F? Last I heard, the ONLY solution was playback from the camera, which is not really a good thing.

Also, anyone else still a little frustrated with the price of the H1?? If it were under $7K, I would have my order in right now. I thought at least the real selling cost would be less than the list cost...but nope, it's going for $8999.

I still wish they made the SDI Out an optional feature and took the price down. Oh well...instead of ordering the H1, I'll wait and see how the HVX200 looks. Canon...you're losing me...

Kevin

Barry Green · November 8th, 2005, 08:32 PM

There is currently no device other than the XL-H1 that can play 24F footage. Additionally, I've been told by a dealer that 30F is in the same boat -- Sony equipment can't play 30F footage either.

As for those looking for a discount, don't be disappointed if it doesn't happen. Apparently the dealers are going to be carefully selected by Canon, and they don't expect much discounting to go on at all. This is Canon's first entry in a basically broadcast-caliber camera, and they're certainly not going to be offering these things at Best Buy and Circuit City alongside Canon's pure consumer gear.

Tommy James · November 9th, 2005, 01:19 PM

The HDV formats are not meant to be a distribution format but rather an aquisition format. Even if all the HDV formats were compatible and HDV tapes could be played on any brand of HDV camcorder or player the end user simply does not want his video on tape but rather on a disc. Therefore the correct way to distribute high definition video is not handing the customer a mini HDV tape but rather giving him a DATA DVD playable on most Windows XP computers. The wonderfull thing about computers is that they eliminate hardware incompatibility issues because various formats of high definition players exist as software not hardware. For free i can download many formats of high definition video players to my computer.

Luis Caffesse · November 10th, 2005, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Tommy James

The HDV formats are not meant to be a distribution format but rather an aquisition format.

Tommy, I think you may have misunderstood people's concern with the fact that so far only the XLH1 will play back the 30F and 24F footage.

First off, I wouldn't want to put that much wear on my tape heads by having to use my camera as a deck everytime I have to digitize. But, if that's the only piece of equipment that will play it back, then that doesn't leave any other choice.

Secondly, many people make a living shooting freelance for production companies, etc. I've shot many times on projects where I simply hand the producer the raw footage at the end of the shoot. The producer would then take his footage back to his editor, or to some post house. If shooting 30F or 24F on the XLH1 he will only be able to play that footage back with another XLH1 (as opposed to any deck that most editors would have access too). So I could definitely see a problem with handing a tape to a client at the end of a full days shoot and saying 'by the way, all you need is a $9,000 camera to play this back and you'll be fine.'

Who knows, perhaps this will open up a small dubbing niche market, dubbing Canon 30F and 24F footage to DVCProHD or HDCam.

Either way, I think it's probably safe to assume that this won't be a problem for long. It's obviously a big issue, but the camera hasn't even been released yet (has it?). Hopefully a solution is on the way.

November 8th, 2005, 05:45 PM	#1
Kevin Wild Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 540	Any device capable of 1080-24F yet? Cost... Now that some people have tested this camera, is there a solution out there yet for the playback/capture of 1080/24F? Last I heard, the ONLY solution was playback from the camera, which is not really a good thing. Also, anyone else still a little frustrated with the price of the H1?? If it were under $7K, I would have my order in right now. I thought at least the real selling cost would be less than the list cost...but nope, it's going for $8999. I still wish they made the SDI Out an optional feature and took the price down. Oh well...instead of ordering the H1, I'll wait and see how the HVX200 looks. Canon...you're losing me... Kevin

November 8th, 2005, 08:32 PM	#2
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	There is currently no device other than the XL-H1 that can play 24F footage. Additionally, I've been told by a dealer that 30F is in the same boat -- Sony equipment can't play 30F footage either. As for those looking for a discount, don't be disappointed if it doesn't happen. Apparently the dealers are going to be carefully selected by Canon, and they don't expect much discounting to go on at all. This is Canon's first entry in a basically broadcast-caliber camera, and they're certainly not going to be offering these things at Best Buy and Circuit City alongside Canon's pure consumer gear.

November 9th, 2005, 01:19 PM	#3
Tommy James suspended -- contact admin Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 214	The HDV formats are not meant to be a distribution format but rather an aquisition format. Even if all the HDV formats were compatible and HDV tapes could be played on any brand of HDV camcorder or player the end user simply does not want his video on tape but rather on a disc. Therefore the correct way to distribute high definition video is not handing the customer a mini HDV tape but rather giving him a DATA DVD playable on most Windows XP computers. The wonderfull thing about computers is that they eliminate hardware incompatibility issues because various formats of high definition players exist as software not hardware. For free i can download many formats of high definition video players to my computer.