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Alexandre Lucena · September 30th, 2005, 11:24 AM

I wonder if there is time left for the Canon engineers to provide a "rotate 180
degrees" function for the XL H1, custom builders of mini35mm adapters would
love it.

Kevin Wild · September 30th, 2005, 11:54 AM

Uhh...done. Not sure exactly what you mean, but the LCD can indeed flip for those converters. Read up on it...

Kevin

Eric Brown · September 30th, 2005, 11:54 AM

Alexandre, they already have. Check through the posts in the XL-H1 thread.

Alexandre Lucena · September 30th, 2005, 12:07 PM

I mean that the image is rotated then recorded the right side. So we would not need to rotate in post. I believe this is not a big deal for Canon to incorporate in this new camera. And certainly a big plus for that 35mm look
desperate ones like myself.

Chris Hurd · September 30th, 2005, 12:28 PM

There's just not enough of an overall demand for this, considering it's pretty simple to rotate it in post.

Barry Green · September 30th, 2005, 12:58 PM

The rotation is not necessarily a "done deal" -- I talked with Canon at the Resfest booth yesterday, and asked about that menu item. I was told that yes it's in there, but it will only work with lenses other than the stock lens. He said there's some sort of switch that prevents it from activating when the stock lens is attached, but if you removed the stock lens and attached something like the P+S Technik, then the rotation feature becomes "enabled".

I asked a couple of times, to make sure that's what he meant, because the way I heard it, it makes no sense. The only time you *would* want it to flip is when the stock lens is attached! The thinking is: the mini35 already has the roof pentaprism to flip the image optically anyway; the G35 and the Micro35/M2 will attach to the front of the stock lens. So the Mini35 doesn't need the capability to flip, and the stock lens does.

He said that if someone were to attach something like a B4 lens adapter, it would also need the ability to flip -- which, again, doesn't make sense to me. But that's what I was told.

All I'm saying is: don't count that chicken before it's hatched. Maybe Kaku can verify whether the flip actually works with the stock lens attached...

Eric Brown · September 30th, 2005, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

There's just not enough of an overall demand for this, considering it's pretty simple to rotate it in post.

True. Even an editing program as basic as iMovie HD has a provision for this.

Kasper Rye Petersen · October 2nd, 2005, 05:08 AM

Do I understand this correct? The LCD on the XL H1 can flip the image so you see it the right/normal way when using a Micro35? But the image is still recorded up-side-down on tape?

Regards, Kasper

Chris Hurd · October 2nd, 2005, 05:29 AM

Yes Kasper that is exactly right.

Barry Green · October 2nd, 2005, 06:07 PM

Not necessarily -- has Kaku verified this? I was told by Tim Smith of Canon that the image flip is only enabled if the camera's main lens is removed -- and that would mean it would not work with low-cost adapters like the Guerilla35 or Micro35, which rely on using the stock lens...

Soroush Shahrokni · October 2nd, 2005, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry Green

Not necessarily -- has Kaku verified this? I was told by Tim Smith of Canon that the image flip is only enabled if the camera's main lens is removed -- and that would mean it would not work with low-cost adapters like the Guerilla35 or Micro35, which rely on using the stock lens...

Then whats the use of having it? The Mini35 doesnt need a image flip!

Alexandre Lucena · October 4th, 2005, 05:50 AM

I strongly believe Canon should provide 180 degrees rotate function for this camera. As it is intended to attend the demands of indie documentary and
fiction moviemakers, and why not local tv advertising? This kind of image
requirement asks for what we percieve as film look. 35mm DOF is an important aspect that should be taken into account. As we all know custom adapters are here to stay untill big CCDs cameras come to us at a reasonable price.

Kaku Ito · October 4th, 2005, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry Green

Not necessarily -- has Kaku verified this? I was told by Tim Smith of Canon that the image flip is only enabled if the camera's main lens is removed -- and that would mean it would not work with low-cost adapters like the Guerilla35 or Micro35, which rely on using the stock lens...

Barry,
I could not find it with the lense on and the lense off. Maybe other lense other than standard lense has to be on?
Also, the cam I had did say preproduction model.

September 30th, 2005, 11:24 AM	#1
Alexandre Lucena Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 56	rotate 180 degrees I wonder if there is time left for the Canon engineers to provide a "rotate 180 degrees" function for the XL H1, custom builders of mini35mm adapters would love it.

September 30th, 2005, 12:07 PM	#4
Alexandre Lucena Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 56	rotate 180 I mean that the image is rotated then recorded the right side. So we would not need to rotate in post. I believe this is not a big deal for Canon to incorporate in this new camera. And certainly a big plus for that 35mm look desperate ones like myself.

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Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	There's just not enough of an overall demand for this, considering it's pretty simple to rotate it in post. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

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Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Yes Kasper that is exactly right. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

October 4th, 2005, 05:50 AM	#12
Alexandre Lucena Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 56	A.s.a.p I strongly believe Canon should provide 180 degrees rotate function for this camera. As it is intended to attend the demands of indie documentary and fiction moviemakers, and why not local tv advertising? This kind of image requirement asks for what we percieve as film look. 35mm DOF is an important aspect that should be taken into account. As we all know custom adapters are here to stay untill big CCDs cameras come to us at a reasonable price.

September 30th, 2005, 11:54 AM	#2
Kevin Wild Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 540	Uhh...done. Not sure exactly what you mean, but the LCD can indeed flip for those converters. Read up on it... Kevin

September 30th, 2005, 11:54 AM	#3
Eric Brown Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 427	Alexandre, they already have. Check through the posts in the XL-H1 thread.

September 30th, 2005, 12:58 PM	#6
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	The rotation is not necessarily a "done deal" -- I talked with Canon at the Resfest booth yesterday, and asked about that menu item. I was told that yes it's in there, but it will only work with lenses other than the stock lens. He said there's some sort of switch that prevents it from activating when the stock lens is attached, but if you removed the stock lens and attached something like the P+S Technik, then the rotation feature becomes "enabled". I asked a couple of times, to make sure that's what he meant, because the way I heard it, it makes no sense. The only time you would want it to flip is when the stock lens is attached! The thinking is: the mini35 already has the roof pentaprism to flip the image optically anyway; the G35 and the Micro35/M2 will attach to the front of the stock lens. So the Mini35 doesn't need the capability to flip, and the stock lens does. He said that if someone were to attach something like a B4 lens adapter, it would also need the ability to flip -- which, again, doesn't make sense to me. But that's what I was told. All I'm saying is: don't count that chicken before it's hatched. Maybe Kaku can verify whether the flip actually works with the stock lens attached...

October 2nd, 2005, 05:08 AM	#8
Kasper Rye Petersen New Boot Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Copenhagen (Denmark) Posts: 6	Do I understand this correct? The LCD on the XL H1 can flip the image so you see it the right/normal way when using a Micro35? But the image is still recorded up-side-down on tape? Regards, Kasper

October 2nd, 2005, 06:07 PM	#10
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Not necessarily -- has Kaku verified this? I was told by Tim Smith of Canon that the image flip is only enabled if the camera's main lens is removed -- and that would mean it would not work with low-cost adapters like the Guerilla35 or Micro35, which rely on using the stock lens...