New XL HDV shown at IBC at DVinfo.net

Barry Green · September 9th, 2005, 05:35 PM

Someone at IBC posted pictures of a new Canon camera... looks like an XL2 but all black. Obviously still a mockup, as there was nothing printed on it at all except for two things: "Canon" and "HDV".

Greg Boston · September 9th, 2005, 06:11 PM

Where are these pictures, Barry? I know you are a trustworthy source, but without proof, this thread may have to go to Area 51. :-)

-gb-

Greg Boston · September 9th, 2005, 06:20 PM

Never mind Barry, I just found out where they were. Should have known because of your other camera affiliation.

=gb=

Barry Green · September 9th, 2005, 06:26 PM

http://www.larssteenhoff.com/blog/pi...c/DSC_4410.JPG
http://www.larssteenhoff.com/blog/pi...c/DSC_4342.JPG
http://www.larssteenhoff.com/blog/pi...c/DSC_4408.JPG

Now, granted, it looks like all they did was spray-paint an XL2 black and put an HDV sticker on it. But still, it portends what they have in mind!

Greg Boston · September 9th, 2005, 06:28 PM

Just went to the other site and looked closely at the pictures. The only visible difference from the XL-2 (aside from being black), is the presence of two buttons above what would be the exposure lock on the XL-2. The lens looks like someone took the 20X and spray painted it black. Hmmmm....

=gb=

Boyd Ostroff · September 9th, 2005, 06:42 PM

Maybe Canon will offer an XL3 upgrade kit that includes a can of black spray paint and an HDV sticker? ;-)

Marco Wagner · September 9th, 2005, 06:44 PM

Can't wait to see some specs on this.

Greg Boston · September 9th, 2005, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boyd Ostroff

Maybe Canon will offer and XL3 upgrade kit that includes a can of black spray paint and an HDV sticker? ;-)

They will also include instructions on what keys to press when powering up the XL-2 to put it in HDV mode. AKA, the buttons above the exposure lock are the only visible difference. This must be a mock-up and not a real working camera. I bet those buttons are a focus assist of some type so that you can focus with the color vf which appears to be identical to the XL-2. We'll just have to wait a bit and see.

=gb=

Boyd Ostroff · September 9th, 2005, 07:13 PM

Actually I think the Sony FX1 was first shown as a mockup at IBC and it bore the model number "DSR-000."

James Emory · September 9th, 2005, 07:20 PM

It looks like it was dipped in chocolate. If they do release HDV this soon after the XL-2 release, there are sure to be some PO'd XL-2 owners.

Steve Nunez · September 9th, 2005, 07:26 PM

Ohhhh great- and I just bought the Sony- woulda rather had a Canon HDV with interchangeable lenses...........anyone want a 1 week old FX1?

Pete Bauer · September 9th, 2005, 07:28 PM

Barry and Greg,

Yeah, tough to say for sure, but my wife and I also suspect this is trickery. Here's our thoughts after taking a close look (thanks to my wife's sharp eye and facility with Photoshop):

- TOO identical to an XL2 in form, right down to each button location, size, and shape -- but NO button marks.

- Multiple possible signs of image editing...not even a mockup but an altered image. (probable clone mark on the cover to the 1394 port at the rear, multiple areas of texture change where text appears to have been erased/cloned over, the seam for the audio door is "airbrushed" out on the DSC_4342 image...oops!)

- When is the last time that Canon showed a crude non-working mockup for a major camera announcement?

- The person at DVXuser who posted the pictures shows as a brand new member; registered in Sep 2005...maybe registered just to post fake pics?

There have been no reports back from our DVi reps at IBC yet. But I'm going to bite the bullet and call this fake and move the thread to AREA 51 unless and until we get some independent confirmation. If I fooled myself, and it IS real, we can move it to the new Canon HD forum (that doesn't exist yet!)

Exciting times!

Aaron Koolen · September 9th, 2005, 07:30 PM

That must be a bogus camera. Just an XL2 spray painted. That or at least I hope that's not the stock shipping version, notice, no real manual lens by the looks of things.

Aaron

Boyd Ostroff · September 9th, 2005, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Bauer

I'm going to bite the bullet and call this fake

Great; that means there's still a chance that the real XL3 will have a cup holder....

Kevin Wild · September 9th, 2005, 08:05 PM

I agree. Canon has not been one in the past to throw a mock-up camera out there.

I did just think of something, though. Is it possible to put a camera out that is HDV AND HD-DVC Pro? Now that I'm thinking about it, why didn't Panny do this? That way, you can use the tape deck for long form HD stuff, but go higher bit rates for the b'cast and indy stuff? I guess it would mean it was an HD only camera...no SD, but it sure seems interesting. I would love it if Canon did something like this, though I seriously doubt they will.

Kevin

September 9th, 2005, 05:35 PM	#1
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	New XL HDV shown at IBC Someone at IBC posted pictures of a new Canon camera... looks like an XL2 but all black. Obviously still a mockup, as there was nothing printed on it at all except for two things: "Canon" and "HDV".

September 9th, 2005, 06:44 PM	#7
Marco Wagner Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 1,043	Can't wait to see some specs on this. __________________ www.facebook.com/projectspecto

September 9th, 2005, 07:26 PM	#11
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	Ohhhh great- and I just bought the Sony- woulda rather had a Canon HDV with interchangeable lenses...........anyone want a 1 week old FX1? __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

September 9th, 2005, 07:28 PM	#12
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Barry and Greg, Yeah, tough to say for sure, but my wife and I also suspect this is trickery. Here's our thoughts after taking a close look (thanks to my wife's sharp eye and facility with Photoshop): - TOO identical to an XL2 in form, right down to each button location, size, and shape -- but NO button marks. - Multiple possible signs of image editing...not even a mockup but an altered image. (probable clone mark on the cover to the 1394 port at the rear, multiple areas of texture change where text appears to have been erased/cloned over, the seam for the audio door is "airbrushed" out on the DSC_4342 image...oops!) - When is the last time that Canon showed a crude non-working mockup for a major camera announcement? - The person at DVXuser who posted the pictures shows as a brand new member; registered in Sep 2005...maybe registered just to post fake pics? There have been no reports back from our DVi reps at IBC yet. But I'm going to bite the bullet and call this fake and move the thread to AREA 51 unless and until we get some independent confirmation. If I fooled myself, and it IS real, we can move it to the new Canon HD forum (that doesn't exist yet!) Exciting times! __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

September 9th, 2005, 07:30 PM	#13
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	That must be a bogus camera. Just an XL2 spray painted. That or at least I hope that's not the stock shipping version, notice, no real manual lens by the looks of things. Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

September 9th, 2005, 06:11 PM	#2
Greg Boston Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DFW area, TX Posts: 6,117 Images: 1	Where are these pictures, Barry? I know you are a trustworthy source, but without proof, this thread may have to go to Area 51. :-) -gb-

September 9th, 2005, 06:20 PM	#3
Greg Boston Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DFW area, TX Posts: 6,117 Images: 1	Never mind Barry, I just found out where they were. Should have known because of your other camera affiliation. =gb=

September 9th, 2005, 06:26 PM	#4
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	http://www.larssteenhoff.com/blog/pi...c/DSC_4410.JPG http://www.larssteenhoff.com/blog/pi...c/DSC_4342.JPG http://www.larssteenhoff.com/blog/pi...c/DSC_4408.JPG Now, granted, it looks like all they did was spray-paint an XL2 black and put an HDV sticker on it. But still, it portends what they have in mind!

September 9th, 2005, 06:28 PM	#5
Greg Boston Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DFW area, TX Posts: 6,117 Images: 1	Just went to the other site and looked closely at the pictures. The only visible difference from the XL-2 (aside from being black), is the presence of two buttons above what would be the exposure lock on the XL-2. The lens looks like someone took the 20X and spray painted it black. Hmmmm.... =gb=

September 9th, 2005, 06:42 PM	#6
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,800	Maybe Canon will offer an XL3 upgrade kit that includes a can of black spray paint and an HDV sticker? ;-)

September 9th, 2005, 07:13 PM	#9
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,800	Actually I think the Sony FX1 was first shown as a mockup at IBC and it bore the model number "DSR-000."

September 9th, 2005, 07:20 PM	#10
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	It looks like it was dipped in chocolate. If they do release HDV this soon after the XL-2 release, there are sure to be some PO'd XL-2 owners.

September 9th, 2005, 08:05 PM	#15
Kevin Wild Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 540	I agree. Canon has not been one in the past to throw a mock-up camera out there. I did just think of something, though. Is it possible to put a camera out that is HDV AND HD-DVC Pro? Now that I'm thinking about it, why didn't Panny do this? That way, you can use the tape deck for long form HD stuff, but go higher bit rates for the b'cast and indy stuff? I guess it would mean it was an HD only camera...no SD, but it sure seems interesting. I would love it if Canon did something like this, though I seriously doubt they will. Kevin