New XL HDV shown at IBC

Damon Botsford · September 9th, 2005, 11:27 PM

This is sooooo whack!! It's funny because that DVXuser thread started with a bunch of rumor talk, exactly like here, and all the sudden out of nowhere this guy pops in and kinda goes... oh, and by the way, here's the new XL-3.
What??!!!!! That's how we're introduced to the new XL camcorder????Nobody else saw it there?? No official announcements?
I'm confused because the guy seemed legit and offered several HVX pictures.
Whether it's the real thing or not, I'm highly unimpressed.

Paul Doherty · September 10th, 2005, 12:37 AM

No doubt we will get some more solid information soon, but I have seen a brief report from someone else who was at IBC and he mentioned a black painted HDV XL2 in a glass case, but said that Canon staff were completely tight lipped about it.

So I'm risking a bet on this being a teasing statement of intent from Canon. It does make some sort of sense. The general verdict is that the XL2 was not a well timed release, and I suspect that sales have been disappointing.

Look at how Panasonic have trailed the HVX200 well before it's available. Some people who would have bought a Sony Z1 have held off for the HVX200. If Panasonic had only announced the HVX200 a month before it was available then they would have lost those sales to Sony.

Even if it is real it will obviously be some time before stock is on the shelves and freely available (well into 2006?), so XL2 buyers still have time to get some mileage out of their machines.

Ash Greyson · September 10th, 2005, 12:55 AM

Fake pictures or not, that wont be the camera. You can speculate all day why they would use a bogus dummy camera. Anywhere from last minute panic to get SOMETHING in the showcase to a clever deception tactic to make their announcement even grander.

They wont render their flagship camera obsolete...they wont use the same lens....they wont use the same BAD viewfinder and for the love of GAWD they WILL put markings on it. I cant believe you guys are getting worked up about this. I mean, if this WAS the camera, then sure it would be lame but its not.... period, endstop....

ash =o)

Mikko Wilson · September 10th, 2005, 04:43 AM

Chris, time to move this topic out of Area 51....

I hearby CONFIRM the coming of an HDV XL-style camear from Canon.

The pictures that have been posted are genuine.

The Canon reps here at the show are not aloud to talk abotu it. There will be a full formal announcemtnat the Canon Expo in NY in a few days.

And therefor that is all i can tell you about it. ..except that i does look considerably better in person than from the pics.. it's not just a shotty spray paint job.. but I doubt it's a production moddle either.

- Mikko

Christopher C. Murphy · September 10th, 2005, 05:51 AM

Ok, so...

It's like that girl you know who wears coke bottle glasses, hair tied back and everyone thinks she's a plain jane. However, underneith all that is a hottie?

I hope so! :)

Greg Boston · September 10th, 2005, 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikko Wilson

Chris, time to move this topic out of Area 51....

I hearby CONFIRM the coming of an HDV XL-style camear from Canon.

The pictures that have been posted are genuine.

The Canon reps here at the show are not aloud to talk abotu it. There will be a full formal announcemtnat the Canon Expo in NY in a few days.

And therefor that is all i can tell you about it. ..except that i does look considerably better in person than from the pics.. it's not just a shotty spray paint job.. but I doubt it's a production moddle either.

- Mikko

Per this post by Mikko, this thread is moved from Area 51 and to the Digital Video Industry News forum. Thanks for the independent confirmation Mikko.

=gb=

Chris Hurd · September 10th, 2005, 07:23 AM

Lars has posted his Canon HDV photos to our image gallery... the link is:

http://www.dvinfo.net/gallery/browseimages.php?c=27

Pete Bauer · September 10th, 2005, 07:41 AM

Lars, welcome to DVinfo. The pictures you've shared appear to be down-rezzed versions. Any chance you can share the original pictures (full resolution), and post any other information you may have learned? Thanks in advance!

Gary McClurg · September 10th, 2005, 07:43 AM

Maybe we should move this back to area 51.

The person who told me the camera was coming three days. Didn't give me any information.

Now I don't know if he knows more or not about specs.

But he did say that he thought that Canon had been sitting back looking at the market.

Seeing what everyone was doing and then top that.

So maybe 1080p at 24p in 60p so the pull down would pull out the frames needed. Maybe recording to a hard drive, etc.

I'd say maybe even more than one frame rate.

Pete Bauer · September 10th, 2005, 07:55 AM

Yeah, let's keep this thread for actual observations and links to official reports, and any speculation can go in one of the several threads on this subject in AREA 51.

I sure wish I could go to Canon Expo next week!

Gary McClurg · September 10th, 2005, 08:38 AM

I'm half way there now across the country.

But next week I'll be back in California for two weeks working on my house.

James Rhodes · September 10th, 2005, 09:03 AM

So should I sell my XL2 now or wait to see fi there will be an upgrade path for current XL2 owners ?

Barry Gribble · September 10th, 2005, 09:22 AM

Boy, I do like that black.

Zack Birlew · September 10th, 2005, 10:17 AM

Ummm.... XL2S? The XL2, but now with HDV!!! *sarcasm* "Yay"!

It would be amazing if it were uncompressed HDV (since there is NO such thing), but I don't see what it could offer unless it recorded straight to laptop hard drives. Maybe they actually did get the formfactor right so original XL-lenses can work with it? Good for people with XL1/S's and XL2's, but what about those going in for the first time?

I'm just speculating and I'm honestly as excited and giddy as everyone else about it. I wonder what Canon's going to say. =D

Mathieu Ghekiere · September 10th, 2005, 10:27 AM

Jack, I am exited too, but it's - somebody correct me if I'm wrong - impossible to let the lenses of the XL1/XL1s/XL2 to be compatible with a HDV version of an XL2. Because I think you need a lens that can resolve more resolution than your SD lens.

September 10th, 2005, 04:43 AM	#34
Mikko Wilson Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Juneau, Alaska, USA Posts: 624	It's True! Chris, time to move this topic out of Area 51.... I hearby CONFIRM the coming of an HDV XL-style camear from Canon. The pictures that have been posted are genuine. The Canon reps here at the show are not aloud to talk abotu it. There will be a full formal announcemtnat the Canon Expo in NY in a few days. And therefor that is all i can tell you about it. ..except that i does look considerably better in person than from the pics.. it's not just a shotty spray paint job.. but I doubt it's a production moddle either. - Mikko __________________ Mikko Wilson - Steadicam Owner / Operator - Juneau, Alaska, USA +1 (907) 321-8387 - mikkowilson@hotmail.com - www.mikkowilson.com

September 10th, 2005, 05:51 AM	#35
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Ok, so... It's like that girl you know who wears coke bottle glasses, hair tied back and everyone thinks she's a plain jane. However, underneith all that is a hottie? I hope so! :) __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

September 10th, 2005, 07:23 AM	#37
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Lars has posted his Canon HDV photos to our image gallery... the link is: http://www.dvinfo.net/gallery/browseimages.php?c=27 __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

September 10th, 2005, 07:41 AM	#38
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Lars, welcome to DVinfo. The pictures you've shared appear to be down-rezzed versions. Any chance you can share the original pictures (full resolution), and post any other information you may have learned? Thanks in advance! __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

September 10th, 2005, 07:55 AM	#40
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Yeah, let's keep this thread for actual observations and links to official reports, and any speculation can go in one of the several threads on this subject in AREA 51. I sure wish I could go to Canon Expo next week! __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

September 9th, 2005, 11:27 PM	#31
Damon Botsford Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Thousand Oaks, CA Posts: 39	This is sooooo whack!! It's funny because that DVXuser thread started with a bunch of rumor talk, exactly like here, and all the sudden out of nowhere this guy pops in and kinda goes... oh, and by the way, here's the new XL-3. What??!!!!! That's how we're introduced to the new XL camcorder????Nobody else saw it there?? No official announcements? I'm confused because the guy seemed legit and offered several HVX pictures. Whether it's the real thing or not, I'm highly unimpressed.

September 10th, 2005, 12:37 AM	#32
Paul Doherty Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sherburn, England Posts: 136	No doubt we will get some more solid information soon, but I have seen a brief report from someone else who was at IBC and he mentioned a black painted HDV XL2 in a glass case, but said that Canon staff were completely tight lipped about it. So I'm risking a bet on this being a teasing statement of intent from Canon. It does make some sort of sense. The general verdict is that the XL2 was not a well timed release, and I suspect that sales have been disappointing. Look at how Panasonic have trailed the HVX200 well before it's available. Some people who would have bought a Sony Z1 have held off for the HVX200. If Panasonic had only announced the HVX200 a month before it was available then they would have lost those sales to Sony. Even if it is real it will obviously be some time before stock is on the shelves and freely available (well into 2006?), so XL2 buyers still have time to get some mileage out of their machines.

September 10th, 2005, 12:55 AM	#33
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	Fake pictures or not, that wont be the camera. You can speculate all day why they would use a bogus dummy camera. Anywhere from last minute panic to get SOMETHING in the showcase to a clever deception tactic to make their announcement even grander. They wont render their flagship camera obsolete...they wont use the same lens....they wont use the same BAD viewfinder and for the love of GAWD they WILL put markings on it. I cant believe you guys are getting worked up about this. I mean, if this WAS the camera, then sure it would be lame but its not.... period, endstop.... ash =o)

September 10th, 2005, 07:43 AM	#39
Gary McClurg Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Springfield, MO, USA Posts: 389	Maybe we should move this back to area 51. The person who told me the camera was coming three days. Didn't give me any information. Now I don't know if he knows more or not about specs. But he did say that he thought that Canon had been sitting back looking at the market. Seeing what everyone was doing and then top that. So maybe 1080p at 24p in 60p so the pull down would pull out the frames needed. Maybe recording to a hard drive, etc. I'd say maybe even more than one frame rate.

September 10th, 2005, 08:38 AM	#41
Gary McClurg Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Springfield, MO, USA Posts: 389	I'm half way there now across the country. But next week I'll be back in California for two weeks working on my house.

September 10th, 2005, 09:03 AM	#42
James Rhodes Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: United States Posts: 49	So....... So should I sell my XL2 now or wait to see fi there will be an upgrade path for current XL2 owners ? __________________ To Shoot or to be shot, that is the question!

September 10th, 2005, 09:22 AM	#43
Barry Gribble Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 817	Boy, I do like that black. __________________ Barry Gribble Integral Arts, IMDB

September 10th, 2005, 10:17 AM	#44
Zack Birlew Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 613	Ummm.... XL2S? The XL2, but now with HDV!!! sarcasm "Yay"! It would be amazing if it were uncompressed HDV (since there is NO such thing), but I don't see what it could offer unless it recorded straight to laptop hard drives. Maybe they actually did get the formfactor right so original XL-lenses can work with it? Good for people with XL1/S's and XL2's, but what about those going in for the first time? I'm just speculating and I'm honestly as excited and giddy as everyone else about it. I wonder what Canon's going to say. =D __________________ "Babs Do or Babs Do not, there is no try." - Zack Birlew www.BabsDoProductions.com

September 10th, 2005, 10:27 AM	#45
Mathieu Ghekiere Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,195	Jack, I am exited too, but it's - somebody correct me if I'm wrong - impossible to let the lenses of the XL1/XL1s/XL2 to be compatible with a HDV version of an XL2. Because I think you need a lens that can resolve more resolution than your SD lens.