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Gary McClurg · September 1st, 2005, 04:26 PM

Yes, but can that cup-holder do both hot and cold beverages, that is the real question?

Zack Birlew · September 1st, 2005, 05:44 PM

Ugh... wait and see....wait and see........I'll be in my trailer.

Matthew Wauhkonen · September 1st, 2005, 06:39 PM

Guys, it's not going to have a mini35 built in. First of all, there are really no "cinema" cameras out on the market--even the dvx/hvx/jvc are prosumer 1/3'' general-purpose cameras. If you're doing news gathering, weddings, etc. the depth of focus is just way too shallow and telephoto lenses are too expensive (the XL2 is equivalent to what? a 800mm lens?)

Also, mini35s are horribly constricting in terms of what settings you can use, and you'll lose auto-focus and all sorts of stuff. It's just not happening--it's a specialty tool and it will remain one.

A big CMOS might be reasonable, though. A single 2/3'' chip might be nice and single CMOS chips seem to be where cameras are headed. Look at the Sony HC1 (also, Bill Kennedy of Panasonic told me that single chips may be the future for them as well.) Plus, Canon knows how to make these things super cheap. If it were compatible with the EOS mount and had an APS-C sized sensor, that would be interesting. As in, "I'll-sell-everything-I-own-to-buy-one-now" interesting. But it won't happen.

My guess: Gl3.

Damon Botsford · September 1st, 2005, 06:47 PM

Good point... who likes to drink warm beer while filming??
Anyway, I got to thinking, I've been quite impressed with Panasonic's public relations with the independent filmmaker crowd (a.k.a. Jan). Obviously they've been listening with regards to 1080p and such. Does Canon have that kind of relationship with the indy filmmaker? Does Canon have it's own "Jan" who participates in these forums? No offense to Jan! She's invaluable. And do you think Canon would create something as innovative as a built in mini35 type device? I guess what I'm trying to say is, does Canon give us any love?

Nick Hiltgen · September 1st, 2005, 07:03 PM

Matthew I don't like to base my wild predictions on things that are practical, I like wild wouldn't-it-be-cool-if ideas. So yeah you're probably right it won't have a mini 35 like device, but I think it would be great if it had some sort of switch that would move the 35mm device in front of the 1/3 ccd or out of the way (for run and gun whatever). But if you must be practical I would say that there would have to be some sort of neoprene spill guard next to the cup holder so that it would keep hot beverages from adding access heat to teh camera and cool beverages from causing condensation. (because it would be rough to have condensation on your built in mini35)

But back to real life, no idea what the canon will have.

Michael Wisniewski · September 1st, 2005, 08:34 PM

That's a good point on the neoprene Nick, I wish more people thought the same way. I just hope someone from Canon is paying close attention to this thread.

John McManimie · September 1st, 2005, 08:38 PM

Neoprene for a spill guard and to stop condensation? This is high-tech equipment here so be serious -- how about an actual de-humidifier built in! No more condensation warnings when moving between cold to warm areas AND with a good filtration system you're looking at fresh, potable water waiting for you right there in a drip bag. :-)

Nick Hiltgen · September 1st, 2005, 09:57 PM

but if we have a drip bag why not just have two cupholders, one to hold the warm beverage then the other for the fresh potable water that you've created through condensation...

Truth be told john, I have alterior motives as my family owns a neoprene production plant and I'm vying for the contract from canon. (no more d*** wet-suits!)

Marco Leavitt · September 2nd, 2005, 06:31 AM

I can't think of a reason why there couldn't be auto focus and OIS with a built in mini35. That would be a big part of the reason for having it built in. But I agree, it's wishfull thinking anyway. Indie film makers are probably the second or third biggest market for these camcorders, but the top is surely wedding and industrial videographers. Despite the prosumer name, I don't a significant number of consumers are buying any camcorder over $1,500.

Chris Hurd · September 2nd, 2005, 07:59 AM

As long as it has a built-in ice maker, I'll be satisfied. Central Texas summers can be a tad warm and tend to last for nine or ten months of the year. I need a camcorder that can keep my Shiner Bock chilled while I'm out shooting in the Hill Country.

Now here's what's *really* funny... remember what spurred this whole thread, was Brian's link to a post at another message board. Then that original post disappeared, until I found that it had been moved to another location on that other site, and I gave you guys the new link. *Now* it seems to be gone again.

Personally I think we're being played. Or should I say *you're* being played, because *I* know better than to believe something that didn't come from DV Info Net in the first place... know what I mean?

Greg Boston · September 2nd, 2005, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

As long as it has a built-in ice maker, I'll be satisfied. Central Texas summers can be a tad warm and tend to last for nine or ten months of the year. I need a camcorder that can keep my Shiner Bock chilled while I'm out shooting in the Hill Country.

Now here's what's *really* funny... remember what spurred this whole thread, was Brian's link to a post at another message board. Then that original post disappeared, until I found that it had been moved to another location on that other site, and I gave you guys the new link. *Now* it seems to be gone again.

Personally I think we're being played. Or should I say *you're* being played, because *I* know better than to believe something that didn't come from DV Info Net in the first place... know what I mean?

Well Chris, I would ask for your input, but I know how darn restrictive those NDA's can be;-)

-gb-

Chris Hurd · September 2nd, 2005, 10:27 AM

NDA? What NDA. I am blissfully free of any NDA, and loving it!

Pete Bauer · September 2nd, 2005, 02:42 PM

No NDA here either, but I'll be Nearly Drunk on my A** before dinnertime. :-)
Still, there IS a Canon Expo in mid-Sep, AND that message was short on specifics but gave a generic "you'll be happy with our announcement at Expo" message. Maybe we're being played, but then again it could be Canon who have the last laugh. I still feel ok sticking to my May '05 guess that Canon will announce a Wunderkam in Sep/Oct. Don't know if Canon Expo really will bring us that announcement, but still see no reason why my guess was an unreasonable one.

Boyd Ostroff · September 2nd, 2005, 03:58 PM

Maybe they'll announce that all of their camcorders will include cupholders in the future. That would make a lot of people happy.

Nick Hiltgen · September 2nd, 2005, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boyd Ostroff

Maybe they'll announce that all of their camcorders will include cupholders in the future. That would make a lot of people happy.

... And I think to myself... what a wonderful world...

September 1st, 2005, 05:44 PM	#32
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September 2nd, 2005, 07:59 AM	#40
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	As long as it has a built-in ice maker, I'll be satisfied. Central Texas summers can be a tad warm and tend to last for nine or ten months of the year. I need a camcorder that can keep my Shiner Bock chilled while I'm out shooting in the Hill Country. Now here's what's really funny... remember what spurred this whole thread, was Brian's link to a post at another message board. Then that original post disappeared, until I found that it had been moved to another location on that other site, and I gave you guys the new link. Now it seems to be gone again. Personally I think we're being played. Or should I say you're being played, because I know better than to believe something that didn't come from DV Info Net in the first place... know what I mean? __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

September 2nd, 2005, 10:27 AM	#42
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September 2nd, 2005, 02:42 PM	#43
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	No NDA here either, but I'll be Nearly Drunk on my A before dinnertime. :-) Still, there IS a Canon Expo in mid-Sep, AND that message was short on specifics but gave a generic "you'll be happy with our announcement at Expo" message. Maybe we're being played, but then again it could be Canon who have the last laugh. I still feel ok sticking to my May '05 guess that Canon will announce a Wunderkam in Sep/Oct. Don't know if Canon Expo really will bring us that announcement, but still see no reason why my guess was an unreasonable one. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH** function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

September 1st, 2005, 04:26 PM	#31
Gary McClurg Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Springfield, MO, USA Posts: 389	Yes, but can that cup-holder do both hot and cold beverages, that is the real question?

September 1st, 2005, 06:39 PM	#33
Matthew Wauhkonen Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 285	Guys, it's not going to have a mini35 built in. First of all, there are really no "cinema" cameras out on the market--even the dvx/hvx/jvc are prosumer 1/3'' general-purpose cameras. If you're doing news gathering, weddings, etc. the depth of focus is just way too shallow and telephoto lenses are too expensive (the XL2 is equivalent to what? a 800mm lens?) Also, mini35s are horribly constricting in terms of what settings you can use, and you'll lose auto-focus and all sorts of stuff. It's just not happening--it's a specialty tool and it will remain one. A big CMOS might be reasonable, though. A single 2/3'' chip might be nice and single CMOS chips seem to be where cameras are headed. Look at the Sony HC1 (also, Bill Kennedy of Panasonic told me that single chips may be the future for them as well.) Plus, Canon knows how to make these things super cheap. If it were compatible with the EOS mount and had an APS-C sized sensor, that would be interesting. As in, "I'll-sell-everything-I-own-to-buy-one-now" interesting. But it won't happen. My guess: Gl3.

September 1st, 2005, 06:47 PM	#34
Damon Botsford Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Thousand Oaks, CA Posts: 39	Good point... who likes to drink warm beer while filming?? Anyway, I got to thinking, I've been quite impressed with Panasonic's public relations with the independent filmmaker crowd (a.k.a. Jan). Obviously they've been listening with regards to 1080p and such. Does Canon have that kind of relationship with the indy filmmaker? Does Canon have it's own "Jan" who participates in these forums? No offense to Jan! She's invaluable. And do you think Canon would create something as innovative as a built in mini35 type device? I guess what I'm trying to say is, does Canon give us any love?

September 1st, 2005, 07:03 PM	#35
Nick Hiltgen Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,427	Matthew I don't like to base my wild predictions on things that are practical, I like wild wouldn't-it-be-cool-if ideas. So yeah you're probably right it won't have a mini 35 like device, but I think it would be great if it had some sort of switch that would move the 35mm device in front of the 1/3 ccd or out of the way (for run and gun whatever). But if you must be practical I would say that there would have to be some sort of neoprene spill guard next to the cup holder so that it would keep hot beverages from adding access heat to teh camera and cool beverages from causing condensation. (because it would be rough to have condensation on your built in mini35) But back to real life, no idea what the canon will have.

September 1st, 2005, 08:34 PM	#36
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	That's a good point on the neoprene Nick, I wish more people thought the same way. I just hope someone from Canon is paying close attention to this thread.

September 1st, 2005, 08:38 PM	#37
John McManimie Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 314	Neoprene for a spill guard and to stop condensation? This is high-tech equipment here so be serious -- how about an actual de-humidifier built in! No more condensation warnings when moving between cold to warm areas AND with a good filtration system you're looking at fresh, potable water waiting for you right there in a drip bag. :-)

September 1st, 2005, 09:57 PM	#38
Nick Hiltgen Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,427	but if we have a drip bag why not just have two cupholders, one to hold the warm beverage then the other for the fresh potable water that you've created through condensation... Truth be told john, I have alterior motives as my family owns a neoprene production plant and I'm vying for the contract from canon. (no more d*** wet-suits!)

September 2nd, 2005, 06:31 AM	#39
Marco Leavitt Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Albany, NY 12210 Posts: 2,652	I can't think of a reason why there couldn't be auto focus and OIS with a built in mini35. That would be a big part of the reason for having it built in. But I agree, it's wishfull thinking anyway. Indie film makers are probably the second or third biggest market for these camcorders, but the top is surely wedding and industrial videographers. Despite the prosumer name, I don't a significant number of consumers are buying any camcorder over $1,500.

September 2nd, 2005, 03:58 PM	#44
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,798	Maybe they'll announce that all of their camcorders will include cupholders in the future. That would make a lot of people happy.