Canon XL H1 picture sharpness and vivid colors at DVinfo.net

Dil Singh · March 24th, 2009, 09:54 AM

Hello All, I am new to DV Info and looking for some help from all of you experts. I owned a JVC GY-HD200U for about 2 years and enjoyed it. Just recently I upgraded to Canon XL H1A for my business. I have been shooting with camera and like the quality over all but I am not able to get the results same as JVC's picture quality and colors by default. On Canon the picture quality is good but I cannot make the picture sharp and crisp. I have tried many settings but still I cannot get sharpness. Picture is very clear but very soft at the same time. Other issue I am having is with the color settings. I am looking for vivid colors settings. I shoot Indian weddings which are very very colorful and my clients want to see all the colors. Can someone please advise me how to get sharp/crisp picture with vivid colors or guide me towards a preset that someone has? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers.

John Richard · March 24th, 2009, 04:24 PM

Have you adjusted the back focus? check the manual for the instructions on this. Also a few threads down they discussed this issue.

Robert Sanders · March 24th, 2009, 05:05 PM

I would definitely trying downloading some of the presets from this site. Try the presets from Stephen Dempsey (disjecta) called Panalook.

Dil Singh · March 24th, 2009, 05:11 PM

Thanks John. Yes I have already adjusted the back focus and it is fine. Please don’t get me wrong, the quality of the picture is okay but I would like it more if it was sharper with vivid colors.

Dil Singh · March 24th, 2009, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Sanders

I would definitely trying downloading some of the presets from this site. Try the presets from Stephen Dempsey (disjecta) called Panalook.

Thanks Robert, I will definitely try the presets and let you know about the results.

John Richard · March 25th, 2009, 08:49 AM

As Mr. Sanders stated, the 'out of the box' look of video with the H1 is rather flat and dullish. But when you apply the wide range of customer presets you can greatly affect the look. I also recommend Steve Dempsey's presets to warm up colors and deepen them

You can also play around with the presets yourself in the menu to get just the looks you personally are going for.

Robert Sanders · March 25th, 2009, 03:31 PM

Yeah, the difference between the "out of the box" look and one that is "tuned" is...WOW!

Dale Guthormsen · March 25th, 2009, 07:34 PM

Good evening,

If I recal, the reason they come out a bit flat oout of the box is so that thery is more area to move in post. The xl2 was the same.

Having 6 presets available one should not have to do that at all and have presets for what ever he is about to encounter and have it closer right out of the camera.

Which by the way, is the way we were taught to shoot film.

Dil Singh · April 6th, 2009, 12:14 PM

Thanks guys. I got it to work with my own settings.

Dil Singh · April 6th, 2009, 12:29 PM

Can someone please tell me that under Custom Preset Parameters , what does setting “Black stretch/Black press” do? I am trying to make blacks darker/richer. What values should I increase/decrease? Thanks.

Mark Job · April 6th, 2009, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dil Singh

Can someone please tell me that under Custom Preset Parameters , what does setting “Black stretch/Black press” do? I am trying to make blacks darker/richer. What values should I increase/decrease? Thanks.

,,,,Hi Dil. Black Stretch *increases* the amount of detail visible in the shadow and darker areas of your image. Black Press *decreases* the amount of detail visible in the blacks and shadow areas of your image. Dil, try out the ""OLEGWARM" by Oleg Kalyan" in the XL H1 Presets library on this website. The preset is called,

"PRESET13.CPF: OLEGWARM -- warm, saturated and film-like when combined with Skin Detail: Middle."

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/canon-xl-...d-library.html (Middle of Page)

Dil Singh · April 14th, 2009, 11:59 AM

Hello DV Info Expersts,

I am doing a wedding job this weekend. This will be heppening at a hotel and I am pretty sure that lighting will be low. Is there is a preset for low lighting shooting that I can use?

Thanks to all in advance.
Dil Singh

Robert Sanders · April 14th, 2009, 01:39 PM

Switch to 1/24th shutter BEFORE you start pushing the gain above +3db. You get a little more motion blur but you avoid the noise floor. And for a wedding video I don't think a little extra motion blur is a deal breaker (like it would be for narrative work).

When indoors try to avoid filtration as much as possible as you usually lose some light.

Marty Hudzik · April 15th, 2009, 06:51 AM

Also, if you are using any of the presets that really crush the blacks or the pedestal is lowered, you might want to turn this off. I use the "Disjecta" preset which is great for well lit scenes, but find I gain about a stop of light back when I turn it off. I have a CP where I use the default camera settings but I change the knee setting to allow for better latitude. This is not ideal for every circumstance and doesn't yiled great color but when covering an event in average to low light it helps. Since it is so dim anyway you aren't getting very brilliant colors anyway. If you are shooting in 30P or 60i use the 1/30th shutter speed also.

Good Luck

Robert Sanders · April 15th, 2009, 01:25 PM

Good advice Marty. Turning off the presets that crush black should really help.

March 24th, 2009, 09:54 AM	#1
Dil Singh New Boot Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: California Posts: 16	Canon XL H1 picture sharpness and vivid colors Hello All, I am new to DV Info and looking for some help from all of you experts. I owned a JVC GY-HD200U for about 2 years and enjoyed it. Just recently I upgraded to Canon XL H1A for my business. I have been shooting with camera and like the quality over all but I am not able to get the results same as JVC's picture quality and colors by default. On Canon the picture quality is good but I cannot make the picture sharp and crisp. I have tried many settings but still I cannot get sharpness. Picture is very clear but very soft at the same time. Other issue I am having is with the color settings. I am looking for vivid colors settings. I shoot Indian weddings which are very very colorful and my clients want to see all the colors. Can someone please advise me how to get sharp/crisp picture with vivid colors or guide me towards a preset that someone has? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers.

March 24th, 2009, 05:05 PM	#3
Robert Sanders Starway Pictures Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Studio City Posts: 581	I would definitely trying downloading some of the presets from this site. Try the presets from Stephen Dempsey (disjecta) called Panalook. __________________ http://www.starwaypictures.com http://starwaypictures.blogspot.com/

March 25th, 2009, 03:31 PM	#7
Robert Sanders Starway Pictures Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Studio City Posts: 581	Yeah, the difference between the "out of the box" look and one that is "tuned" is...WOW! __________________ http://www.starwaypictures.com http://starwaypictures.blogspot.com/

March 25th, 2009, 07:34 PM	#8
Dale Guthormsen Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 3,048	Good evening, If I recal, the reason they come out a bit flat oout of the box is so that thery is more area to move in post. The xl2 was the same. Having 6 presets available one should not have to do that at all and have presets for what ever he is about to encounter and have it closer right out of the camera. Which by the way, is the way we were taught to shoot film. __________________ DATS ALL FOLKS Dale W. Guthormsen

April 14th, 2009, 11:59 AM	#12
Dil Singh New Boot Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: California Posts: 16	Low lighting shooting Hello DV Info Expersts, I am doing a wedding job this weekend. This will be heppening at a hotel and I am pretty sure that lighting will be low. Is there is a preset for low lighting shooting that I can use? Thanks to all in advance. Dil Singh

March 24th, 2009, 04:24 PM	#2
John Richard Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Incline Village, Nevada Posts: 604	Have you adjusted the back focus? check the manual for the instructions on this. Also a few threads down they discussed this issue.

March 24th, 2009, 05:11 PM	#4
Dil Singh New Boot Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: California Posts: 16	Thanks John. Yes I have already adjusted the back focus and it is fine. Please don’t get me wrong, the quality of the picture is okay but I would like it more if it was sharper with vivid colors.

March 25th, 2009, 08:49 AM	#6
John Richard Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Incline Village, Nevada Posts: 604	As Mr. Sanders stated, the 'out of the box' look of video with the H1 is rather flat and dullish. But when you apply the wide range of customer presets you can greatly affect the look. I also recommend Steve Dempsey's presets to warm up colors and deepen them You can also play around with the presets yourself in the menu to get just the looks you personally are going for.

April 6th, 2009, 12:14 PM	#9
Dil Singh New Boot Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: California Posts: 16	Thanks guys. I got it to work with my own settings.

April 6th, 2009, 12:29 PM	#10
Dil Singh New Boot Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: California Posts: 16	Can someone please tell me that under Custom Preset Parameters , what does setting “Black stretch/Black press” do? I am trying to make blacks darker/richer. What values should I increase/decrease? Thanks.

April 14th, 2009, 01:39 PM	#13
Robert Sanders Starway Pictures Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Studio City Posts: 581	Switch to 1/24th shutter BEFORE you start pushing the gain above +3db. You get a little more motion blur but you avoid the noise floor. And for a wedding video I don't think a little extra motion blur is a deal breaker (like it would be for narrative work). When indoors try to avoid filtration as much as possible as you usually lose some light. __________________ http://www.starwaypictures.com http://starwaypictures.blogspot.com/

April 15th, 2009, 06:51 AM	#14
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	Also, if you are using any of the presets that really crush the blacks or the pedestal is lowered, you might want to turn this off. I use the "Disjecta" preset which is great for well lit scenes, but find I gain about a stop of light back when I turn it off. I have a CP where I use the default camera settings but I change the knee setting to allow for better latitude. This is not ideal for every circumstance and doesn't yiled great color but when covering an event in average to low light it helps. Since it is so dim anyway you aren't getting very brilliant colors anyway. If you are shooting in 30P or 60i use the 1/30th shutter speed also. Good Luck

April 15th, 2009, 01:25 PM	#15
Robert Sanders Starway Pictures Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Studio City Posts: 581	Good advice Marty. Turning off the presets that crush black should really help. __________________ http://www.starwaypictures.com http://starwaypictures.blogspot.com/