Is the H1 or HVX200 better at recording motion?

Joachim Hoge · February 6th, 2008, 02:48 PM

It´s taking a while I´m afraid.

Nelson Maldonado · February 6th, 2008, 05:42 PM

Hi,

you where blocked from uploading because you attempted to login and/or failed more than 5 times with in a 2 minute period. The ftp server thought you where trying to break into the network.

I have reinstated you. You can upload now.

BTW, i really appreciate your efforts on my behalf.

Luis de la Cerda · February 6th, 2008, 06:34 PM

Are you planning to shoot 60i, 30f or 24f? 30f and 24f can stand a bit more before breaking up than 60i. It also depends on the amount of detail in your images and the shutter speed you're using. Nothing beats a little experimenting before going on your shoot just to be safe. I've had significant amounts of breakup on high shutter, high detail 60i footage from a helicopter, but that's about as tough as it gets for any long gop codec. In any case, the footage was still useable even with the breakup and I used it. I have a sample 24f 1/48 high motion file right here, but it's 33MB.

Nelson Maldonado · February 6th, 2008, 08:46 PM

Luis,

I don't know what setting i'll use yet. probably 30f.

if you don't mind ftping it to me over night, i'll be happy to view it. The ftp server login info is a few posts above.

Joachim Hoge · February 7th, 2008, 02:59 AM

I tried again this morning, but no luck with login

Joachim Hoge · February 7th, 2008, 03:02 AM

When I look at the AVI file now, I get the "waves" all the time. Something is odd, I´m afraid I´m not too familiar with the different export and compression settings

Nelson Maldonado · February 7th, 2008, 10:14 AM

Joachim,

Ok, my apology, it appears that i had that ftp account set for only "one" simultanious login. I have corrected that.

However, you are currently logged into the ftp server and are transfering the .avi file. how big is the file?

As for the wavyness, i think thats a result of improper interlaced to progressive encoding - although i'm not sure.

If you could transfer - say - 15sec's of the raw HD file, i might be able to help solve the wavy problem.

BTW, you might try the SmartFtp client from www.smartftp.com. Its an excellent ftp client and by default, it will automatically establish a connect with the last entered ftp site info you entered without having to retype anything.

i.e. ftp.nados.com public nms

Also, what NLE are you using?

Joachim Hoge · February 7th, 2008, 10:20 AM

I´m on Final Cut Studio 2

I just got my HV20 back. That camera has a HDMI out and I watched the footage on my Panasonic 42 (PV70) plasma, and it looked amazing. Even the slo-mo looked half descent

Joachim Hoge · February 7th, 2008, 10:34 AM

It´s uploaded, the AVI.
I´m making a uncompressed HDV50i file now, you should have it in 7-8 minutes

Nelson Maldonado · February 7th, 2008, 10:42 AM

P.S. the smartftp client is free for personal use. You just have to re-download it very month or so. If you end up using it, you just have to be careful of making sure you only have one account tab because it will log into all accounts that have tabs displayed.

I think thats what happened to you with your client - maybe. You may have tried to log into my ftp site more than once - simultaneously.

Nelson Maldonado · February 7th, 2008, 10:43 AM

Joachim,

I really appreciate your effort. Thanks!

Joachim Hoge · February 7th, 2008, 11:28 AM

Your welcome. I´ve got so much help here my self, nice to be able to return the favour.
Did you get the AVI and the (supposedly) uncompressed MOV file (12sec)?

Nelson Maldonado · February 7th, 2008, 12:17 PM

Joachim,

Yes, i got the files. I'll take a look at them shortly. And thanks again.

Luis de la Cerda · February 7th, 2008, 01:39 PM

I'm uploading a sample file. Hope it helps. It's a 24f 1/48th shutter m2t original file, exactly the way it comes into the computer from the camera. It's pretty shaky but you wanted motion, not artistic value ;)

Nelson Maldonado · February 7th, 2008, 04:17 PM

Thanks guys, your all being a big help in determining my use of the H1 for an up and coming hip hop dance show.

February 6th, 2008, 02:48 PM	#16
Joachim Hoge Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 402	It´s taking a while I´m afraid.

February 6th, 2008, 05:42 PM	#17
Nelson Maldonado Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canton, Michigan, USA Posts: 50	Hi, you where blocked from uploading because you attempted to login and/or failed more than 5 times with in a 2 minute period. The ftp server thought you where trying to break into the network. I have reinstated you. You can upload now. BTW, i really appreciate your efforts on my behalf.

February 6th, 2008, 06:34 PM	#18
Luis de la Cerda Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mexico City Posts: 181	Are you planning to shoot 60i, 30f or 24f? 30f and 24f can stand a bit more before breaking up than 60i. It also depends on the amount of detail in your images and the shutter speed you're using. Nothing beats a little experimenting before going on your shoot just to be safe. I've had significant amounts of breakup on high shutter, high detail 60i footage from a helicopter, but that's about as tough as it gets for any long gop codec. In any case, the footage was still useable even with the breakup and I used it. I have a sample 24f 1/48 high motion file right here, but it's 33MB.

February 6th, 2008, 08:46 PM	#19
Nelson Maldonado Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canton, Michigan, USA Posts: 50	Luis, I don't know what setting i'll use yet. probably 30f. if you don't mind ftping it to me over night, i'll be happy to view it. The ftp server login info is a few posts above.

February 7th, 2008, 02:59 AM	#20
Joachim Hoge Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 402	I tried again this morning, but no luck with login

February 7th, 2008, 03:02 AM	#21
Joachim Hoge Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 402	When I look at the AVI file now, I get the "waves" all the time. Something is odd, I´m afraid I´m not too familiar with the different export and compression settings

February 7th, 2008, 10:14 AM	#22
Nelson Maldonado Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canton, Michigan, USA Posts: 50	Joachim, Ok, my apology, it appears that i had that ftp account set for only "one" simultanious login. I have corrected that. However, you are currently logged into the ftp server and are transfering the .avi file. how big is the file? As for the wavyness, i think thats a result of improper interlaced to progressive encoding - although i'm not sure. If you could transfer - say - 15sec's of the raw HD file, i might be able to help solve the wavy problem. BTW, you might try the SmartFtp client from www.smartftp.com. Its an excellent ftp client and by default, it will automatically establish a connect with the last entered ftp site info you entered without having to retype anything. i.e. ftp.nados.com public nms Also, what NLE are you using?

February 7th, 2008, 10:20 AM	#23
Joachim Hoge Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 402	I´m on Final Cut Studio 2 I just got my HV20 back. That camera has a HDMI out and I watched the footage on my Panasonic 42 (PV70) plasma, and it looked amazing. Even the slo-mo looked half descent

February 7th, 2008, 10:34 AM	#24
Joachim Hoge Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 402	It´s uploaded, the AVI. I´m making a uncompressed HDV50i file now, you should have it in 7-8 minutes

February 7th, 2008, 10:42 AM	#25
Nelson Maldonado Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canton, Michigan, USA Posts: 50	P.S. the smartftp client is free for personal use. You just have to re-download it very month or so. If you end up using it, you just have to be careful of making sure you only have one account tab because it will log into all accounts that have tabs displayed. I think thats what happened to you with your client - maybe. You may have tried to log into my ftp site more than once - simultaneously.

February 7th, 2008, 10:43 AM	#26
Nelson Maldonado Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canton, Michigan, USA Posts: 50	Joachim, I really appreciate your effort. Thanks!

February 7th, 2008, 11:28 AM	#27
Joachim Hoge Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 402	Your welcome. I´ve got so much help here my self, nice to be able to return the favour. Did you get the AVI and the (supposedly) uncompressed MOV file (12sec)?

February 7th, 2008, 12:17 PM	#28
Nelson Maldonado Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canton, Michigan, USA Posts: 50	Joachim, Yes, i got the files. I'll take a look at them shortly. And thanks again.

February 7th, 2008, 01:39 PM	#29
Luis de la Cerda Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mexico City Posts: 181	I'm uploading a sample file. Hope it helps. It's a 24f 1/48th shutter m2t original file, exactly the way it comes into the computer from the camera. It's pretty shaky but you wanted motion, not artistic value ;)

February 7th, 2008, 04:17 PM	#30
Nelson Maldonado Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canton, Michigan, USA Posts: 50	Thanks guys, your all being a big help in determining my use of the H1 for an up and coming hip hop dance show.