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Leo Wauters · April 21st, 2006, 03:37 AM

Together with my Canon XL2 I bought the cheap Canon video light VL-10Li (10W). Although it is very easy to use (same batteries as XL2) and gives the right amount of light if is very distracting for people. Are there any other suggestions? Maybe something with LED lamps?

Jonathan Jones · April 21st, 2006, 10:24 AM

Hi Leo,
Welcome to DVi. I also own the VL10i, but I find that I am very limited to what I can use it for because it is so freakin' bright. I think it illuminates near-field quite well, but I refer to it as my "COPS" light because everyone who stands in front of it looks just like a felon - as if I was filming an episode of COPS.

For some situations, I needed to look at getting some different on-camera lighting options so I also did some looking around. Choices vary widely depending upon your needs, prospective use, and budget.

The LED lights look great and I would love to have a setup with those, but they are currently out of my budget. DVeStore has an LED setup called Litepanels for sale on their site http://www.dvestore.com/ DVeStore is also a sponsor of this site and is a great vendor. There is a visual demonstration movie of the Litepanel product that you can view on their site.

The IDX light might be an option for you for some situations. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search (B&H is a very reputable sponsor of this site also). I don't know much about it in terms of effectiveness, but it is LED so it should be a cooler, long-lasting bulb. It includes a dimmer (0 - 100%), and it looks like a small form factor - but again, I haven't used this product. It was just slightly out of my budget.

I ended up recenty purchasing this Bescor on-camera light kit http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search from B&H. I love this light. It works great and was quite affordable for me. It includes a set of barn doors (which are debatable in terms of efficacy) and also has a dimmer switch (which I find to be a very important feature in terms of catering the amount of light to various uses.) The bulb does get a little toasty, but not bad - and certainly not nearly as scorching as my Cool-Lux (oddly named) light kit that I have to let cool down for 45 minutes before even touching it to pack away.

Also the electrolite battery on the Bescor kit can truly be a pain in the a**, but the price is right and the weight of the battery is compelling me to try to get back into shape. I added a Lumiquest diffuser to this and have been very happy with this light.

Hope this helps.
-Jon

Jean-Philippe Archibald · April 21st, 2006, 10:58 AM

Try to put some sort of diffusion in front of the light. I am using a small square of frost gel velcroed in front of mine and it is really less annoying for the subjects.

Leo Wauters · April 21st, 2006, 12:23 PM

Jon, thanks for your detailed reply! Difficult choice, but I still have some time because next wedding is only in a few months.

Jean-Philippes, doesn't the gel remove a lot of light?

Bruce S. Yarock · April 22nd, 2006, 05:52 AM

I use a Frezzi "mini fill" 50 watt with a dimmer. I also sprang for the softbox. The whole rig was expensive, but plenty of light and very versatile...I use it all the time.
I power it off of my Anton Bauer Dionic 90, which also powers the XL2 and my FS 4 hard drive. If I'm going to be using my Frezzi a lot, I'll use the Canon batteries for the camera, and the AB for the rest.
Bruce Yarock

Eric A Robinson · April 24th, 2006, 11:59 AM

Hi there

I use Pag C6 dv fitted with a 20 Watt light bulb. Excellent for close work like interviews. Fit a 30 Watt bulb if you require that bit more power. Battery life using the 20 Watt bulb is about 2 1/2 hours. Light has its own diffuser and filter plus there are many optional filters that the light can take.
See for yourself:- http://www.paguk.com/c6/

Neil Fontaine · April 24th, 2006, 05:07 PM

I am new to all this, but would it not look better if the light were attached to a bendable arm, you know like those lamps used around the house?

This would attach to the camera and extend up and to the right or left of the subject. Then the light would look natural as if it were on a stand. Does anything like this exist yet?

I have actually been searching for something like it, because I plan to invent a unique portable light. Also I have been messing around with a way to get a bright light using only two AA or C batteries. It would run off said batteries for over 30 hours. I know it sounds impossible, but if I were to explain how then I give away the secret, hehe.

Anyways it would be easy to jerry rig such an arm device to attach to a camera this way the light is extended up and to the right or left of the subject.

Neil Fontaine · April 24th, 2006, 05:23 PM

Not sure if I explained the arm for the light well enough, so here is a quick picture. You know that bendable metal on desk lamps, if so that is what this is.

http://isor.white.prohosting.com/Images/xl2light.jpg

you might have to hit refresh after you click on the link to see the image.

April 21st, 2006, 03:37 AM	#1
Leo Wauters Tourist Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4	Light for XL2 Together with my Canon XL2 I bought the cheap Canon video light VL-10Li (10W). Although it is very easy to use (same batteries as XL2) and gives the right amount of light if is very distracting for people. Are there any other suggestions? Maybe something with LED lamps?

April 21st, 2006, 10:24 AM	#2
Jonathan Jones Trustee Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Healdsburg, California Posts: 1,138	Hi Leo, Welcome to DVi. I also own the VL10i, but I find that I am very limited to what I can use it for because it is so freakin' bright. I think it illuminates near-field quite well, but I refer to it as my "COPS" light because everyone who stands in front of it looks just like a felon - as if I was filming an episode of COPS. For some situations, I needed to look at getting some different on-camera lighting options so I also did some looking around. Choices vary widely depending upon your needs, prospective use, and budget. The LED lights look great and I would love to have a setup with those, but they are currently out of my budget. DVeStore has an LED setup called Litepanels for sale on their site http://www.dvestore.com/ DVeStore is also a sponsor of this site and is a great vendor. There is a visual demonstration movie of the Litepanel product that you can view on their site. The IDX light might be an option for you for some situations. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search (B&H is a very reputable sponsor of this site also). I don't know much about it in terms of effectiveness, but it is LED so it should be a cooler, long-lasting bulb. It includes a dimmer (0 - 100%), and it looks like a small form factor - but again, I haven't used this product. It was just slightly out of my budget. I ended up recenty purchasing this Bescor on-camera light kit http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search from B&H. I love this light. It works great and was quite affordable for me. It includes a set of barn doors (which are debatable in terms of efficacy) and also has a dimmer switch (which I find to be a very important feature in terms of catering the amount of light to various uses.) The bulb does get a little toasty, but not bad - and certainly not nearly as scorching as my Cool-Lux (oddly named) light kit that I have to let cool down for 45 minutes before even touching it to pack away. Also the electrolite battery on the Bescor kit can truly be a pain in the a**, but the price is right and the weight of the battery is compelling me to try to get back into shape. I added a Lumiquest diffuser to this and have been very happy with this light. Hope this helps. -Jon __________________ "Are we to go on record, sir, with our assertion that the 'pink hearts, yellow moons, orange stars, and green clovers' are, in point of fact', magically delicious?" - Walter Hollarhan before the House Subcommittee on Integrity in Advertising - May, 1974

April 21st, 2006, 10:58 AM	#3
Jean-Philippe Archibald Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada Posts: 1,051	Try to put some sort of diffusion in front of the light. I am using a small square of frost gel velcroed in front of mine and it is really less annoying for the subjects. __________________ Jean-Philippe Archibald http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib

April 24th, 2006, 11:59 AM	#6
Eric A Robinson Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 82	Pag Lights Hi there I use Pag C6 dv fitted with a 20 Watt light bulb. Excellent for close work like interviews. Fit a 30 Watt bulb if you require that bit more power. Battery life using the 20 Watt bulb is about 2 1/2 hours. Light has its own diffuser and filter plus there are many optional filters that the light can take. See for yourself:- http://www.paguk.com/c6/

April 24th, 2006, 05:23 PM	#8
Neil Fontaine Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Napa CA USA Posts: 33	arm light Not sure if I explained the arm for the light well enough, so here is a quick picture. You know that bendable metal on desk lamps, if so that is what this is. http://isor.white.prohosting.com/Images/xl2light.jpg you might have to hit refresh after you click on the link to see the image. Last edited by Neil Fontaine; April 24th, 2006 at 10:16 PM.

April 21st, 2006, 12:23 PM	#4
Leo Wauters Tourist Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4	Jon, thanks for your detailed reply! Difficult choice, but I still have some time because next wedding is only in a few months. Jean-Philippes, doesn't the gel remove a lot of light?

April 22nd, 2006, 05:52 AM	#5
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	I use a Frezzi "mini fill" 50 watt with a dimmer. I also sprang for the softbox. The whole rig was expensive, but plenty of light and very versatile...I use it all the time. I power it off of my Anton Bauer Dionic 90, which also powers the XL2 and my FS 4 hard drive. If I'm going to be using my Frezzi a lot, I'll use the Canon batteries for the camera, and the AB for the rest. Bruce Yarock

April 24th, 2006, 05:07 PM	#7
Neil Fontaine Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Napa CA USA Posts: 33	I am new to all this, but would it not look better if the light were attached to a bendable arm, you know like those lamps used around the house? This would attach to the camera and extend up and to the right or left of the subject. Then the light would look natural as if it were on a stand. Does anything like this exist yet? I have actually been searching for something like it, because I plan to invent a unique portable light. Also I have been messing around with a way to get a bright light using only two AA or C batteries. It would run off said batteries for over 30 hours. I know it sounds impossible, but if I were to explain how then I give away the secret, hehe. Anyways it would be easy to jerry rig such an arm device to attach to a camera this way the light is extended up and to the right or left of the subject.