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Giuseppe Palumbo · December 19th, 2005, 03:18 PM

Ok, well i've got a shoot one thursday for the first time with the XL2. Now if anyone has seen what i've done before, maybe they can help me out here. But I dont know if i should keep the settings mostly center? Or should i try to get the look i want in camera. I'm saying this cause i dont know if i wanna just Color Correct in post like I always have.

Ash Greyson · December 20th, 2005, 01:57 AM

For you I would recommend the following settings:

16:9
24P with 2:3 pulldown
1/48th shutter
Warm White Balance (balance to grey)

Knee: LOW
Blacks: PRESS
Gamma/Color: CINE
Color Gain: +1 or 2
Color Phase: +1
Red Gain:+1
Master Pedestal: -3 to -6
Setup Level: -3 to -6

Leave everything else flat. If you want a greener picture leave the color phase in the middle and dont boost the reds. If you want bluer, boost the blues a notch or 2. The XL2 is ALL ABOUT settings. I will be happy to help you with a setting for any situation, just describe what you are after.

ash =o)

Meryem Ersoz · December 20th, 2005, 09:00 AM

welcome to the wonderful world of the XL2. it's an amazing device. i would say, hook it up to a monitor and experiment your brains out. it helps to turn every way up high and way down low at first, to get an idea of how the features affect the picture.

ash, i'm curious, why crank the master pedestal so low? i get a a pretty washed out look if i do that. seems better to desaturate in post, where you can control that look. sometimes i ratchet it down a notch or two but never that low.

i'm always learning on this camera.....

Giuseppe Palumbo · December 20th, 2005, 03:15 PM

I'm pretty sure he said that since he know's what all my stuff looks like, and he knows that i Color correct alot and whatnot. So if the blacks arent crushed then you can retain all the video information just incase you need it in post. If you crank the blacks up and the master ped. Then you cant see the details in darker areas of the picture if you want to in post. :)

Ash Greyson · December 20th, 2005, 03:47 PM

It all depends... some settings effect others. If you want THE most detail, you can shoot flat with a low knee and stretched blacks. This will give you a flat very detailed picture to tweak in post, it can look a little milky but all the info is there.

Generally a high master pedestal will wash things out while still maintaining a lot of information, having it high is only recommended in situations with stark contrast to keep the background from completly washing out.

To understand how the master pedestal/setup levels work together I recommend people play with them... both up, both down, one up while the other is down, etc. etc. etc. Try shooting something with contrast (lamp in a dark room)

ash =o)

Douglas Joseph · December 22nd, 2005, 12:34 AM

Ash, you said to get a warm feel, adjust white balance using a grey sheet of paper. In order to get a pale, empty feel, what color of paper would need to be used? I would experiment right now, but my camera's currently at a friend's house.

Thanks,
D.C. Joseph

Ash Greyson · December 22nd, 2005, 02:15 PM

To mute the warmness you need to make the whites slightly blueish. You can do this with a light yellow or light pink. There is a great thread of other things you can mess with here:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=50403

ash =o)

December 19th, 2005, 03:18 PM	#1
Giuseppe Palumbo Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 199 Images: 7	If you know my style. Help... Ok, well i've got a shoot one thursday for the first time with the XL2. Now if anyone has seen what i've done before, maybe they can help me out here. But I dont know if i should keep the settings mostly center? Or should i try to get the look i want in camera. I'm saying this cause i dont know if i wanna just Color Correct in post like I always have. __________________ AIM - N film B www.nbfilms.us

December 20th, 2005, 03:15 PM	#4
Giuseppe Palumbo Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 199 Images: 7	I'm pretty sure he said that since he know's what all my stuff looks like, and he knows that i Color correct alot and whatnot. So if the blacks arent crushed then you can retain all the video information just incase you need it in post. If you crank the blacks up and the master ped. Then you cant see the details in darker areas of the picture if you want to in post. :) __________________ AIM - N film B www.nbfilms.us

December 22nd, 2005, 12:34 AM	#6
Douglas Joseph Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Zanesville OH Posts: 205	Ash, you said to get a warm feel, adjust white balance using a grey sheet of paper. In order to get a pale, empty feel, what color of paper would need to be used? I would experiment right now, but my camera's currently at a friend's house. Thanks, D.C. Joseph __________________ "Warriors... Come out to play..." www.importexporthd.com

December 20th, 2005, 01:57 AM	#2
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	For you I would recommend the following settings: 16:9 24P with 2:3 pulldown 1/48th shutter Warm White Balance (balance to grey) Knee: LOW Blacks: PRESS Gamma/Color: CINE Color Gain: +1 or 2 Color Phase: +1 Red Gain:+1 Master Pedestal: -3 to -6 Setup Level: -3 to -6 Leave everything else flat. If you want a greener picture leave the color phase in the middle and dont boost the reds. If you want bluer, boost the blues a notch or 2. The XL2 is ALL ABOUT settings. I will be happy to help you with a setting for any situation, just describe what you are after. ash =o)

December 20th, 2005, 09:00 AM	#3
Meryem Ersoz Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 3,015	welcome to the wonderful world of the XL2. it's an amazing device. i would say, hook it up to a monitor and experiment your brains out. it helps to turn every way up high and way down low at first, to get an idea of how the features affect the picture. ash, i'm curious, why crank the master pedestal so low? i get a a pretty washed out look if i do that. seems better to desaturate in post, where you can control that look. sometimes i ratchet it down a notch or two but never that low. i'm always learning on this camera.....

December 20th, 2005, 03:47 PM	#5
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	It all depends... some settings effect others. If you want THE most detail, you can shoot flat with a low knee and stretched blacks. This will give you a flat very detailed picture to tweak in post, it can look a little milky but all the info is there. Generally a high master pedestal will wash things out while still maintaining a lot of information, having it high is only recommended in situations with stark contrast to keep the background from completly washing out. To understand how the master pedestal/setup levels work together I recommend people play with them... both up, both down, one up while the other is down, etc. etc. etc. Try shooting something with contrast (lamp in a dark room) ash =o)

December 22nd, 2005, 02:15 PM	#7
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	To mute the warmness you need to make the whites slightly blueish. You can do this with a light yellow or light pink. There is a great thread of other things you can mess with here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=50403 ash =o)