Finding black and white on XL-2 at DVinfo.net

Joseph Ivey · January 11th, 2005, 09:25 AM

I just my XL-2 two days ago and cannot seem to find where you can switch from shooting in color to shooting in black and white. I shoot short films fairly often and shoot most in black and white, so I would like to find this setting and fail to believe that if Canon added all of these other features they didn't add this one some where.

Also, is there a place that sells cool cards that I can use to White balance and get a cooler effect? I have the warm cards and white cards, but can't seem to find cool cards.

Kevin Kocak · January 11th, 2005, 10:18 AM

I believe you lower the saturation to get B&W. Why not just do it in post?

Mathieu Ghekiere · January 11th, 2005, 10:21 AM

It's better to do it in post. You can add special fx more easily, have more options, picture quality stay the sames, and you can easily add more contrast and such.

Joseph Ivey · January 11th, 2005, 10:37 AM

i am also having trouble finding the option for B&W in Final cut HD. I just got the program and haven't gotten too in depth with it yet.

Boyd Ostroff · January 11th, 2005, 10:50 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Mathieu Ghekiere : It's better to do it in post. -->>>

While it's true that this gives you more control, it also requires rendering and twice the disk space for storage since you have the original version plus the black and white rendered copy....

Joseph Ivey · January 11th, 2005, 10:56 AM

Ok, so if I wanted to do it in post, what filter would I use and how would I use it?

Tim Commeijne · January 11th, 2005, 11:12 AM

Hey Joseph!

It's not so dificult to ad black and white in FCP HD: Just add the 3-way collercorrector to you clip, and bring slide the saturation all the wat to the left. Done.

greets Tim

Richard Alvarez · January 11th, 2005, 11:21 AM

Joseph,

To get instrutions on how to use your NLE, you have to tell us what NLE you are using.

Joseph Ivey · January 11th, 2005, 11:47 AM

i am using Final Cut Por HD. Thanks for the help. Also, did anyone know anything about that cool card? If it exists of if I will just have to fix it in post?

Kevin Kocak · January 11th, 2005, 12:16 PM

Joseph, just think of it like this
Saturation=color
The lower your saturation the lower your color intensity, and vice versa. This goes for NLE and digital cameras. Just look up saturation in our FCP manual and read up on it. Understanding concepts like this will mke you much more well-rounded as an editor and shooter. It can take a lot of time and study to master these concepts but it is worth it.

Richard Alvarez · January 11th, 2005, 12:24 PM

Cool cards and warm cards

http://www.studio1store.com/

Found it in ten seconds on google.

Joseph Ivey · January 11th, 2005, 08:15 PM

So can anyone tell me where the option to lower saturation is on the camera and in Final Cut Pro HD? I just got both the program and camera and am a little overwhelmed.

Richard Alvarez · January 11th, 2005, 09:17 PM

Joseph,

The color saturation controls are in the menu program,fin out about them on page 68 and 69 of the manual.

Kevin Kocak · January 12th, 2005, 08:32 AM

Joseph, I know you are new to the software end the camera but there is a certain amount of research you have to do on your own. These discussion boards aren't for somebody to hold your hand because you didn't feel like reading the manuals and educating yourself before you use your gear. These boards are for abnormalities, legitimate problems and questions which are not addressed in the manuals for the gear. All you have to do is look up saturation in the maual for FCP. It takes about 30 seconds to actually look up the word and find the page where it is described. So you could have solved this problem in a minute and saved a little face. It sounds like you need to take a day or two to read your manuals, do some tutorials and test you equpment before you move forward. This is professional gear you have and you really need to be educated on it to be effecive. Godd luck!

David Clark · January 12th, 2005, 10:35 AM

No rendering B&W in Matrox RTX100 With Premiere Pro ! :)

January 11th, 2005, 09:25 AM	#1
Joseph Ivey Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashville Posts: 89	Finding black and white on XL-2 I just my XL-2 two days ago and cannot seem to find where you can switch from shooting in color to shooting in black and white. I shoot short films fairly often and shoot most in black and white, so I would like to find this setting and fail to believe that if Canon added all of these other features they didn't add this one some where. Also, is there a place that sells cool cards that I can use to White balance and get a cooler effect? I have the warm cards and white cards, but can't seem to find cool cards.

January 11th, 2005, 10:18 AM	#2
Kevin Kocak Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 149	I believe you lower the saturation to get B&W. Why not just do it in post?

January 11th, 2005, 10:21 AM	#3
Mathieu Ghekiere Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,195	It's better to do it in post. You can add special fx more easily, have more options, picture quality stay the sames, and you can easily add more contrast and such.

January 11th, 2005, 10:37 AM	#4
Joseph Ivey Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashville Posts: 89	i am also having trouble finding the option for B&W in Final cut HD. I just got the program and haven't gotten too in depth with it yet.

January 11th, 2005, 10:50 AM	#5
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	<<<-- Originally posted by Mathieu Ghekiere : It's better to do it in post. -->>> While it's true that this gives you more control, it also requires rendering and twice the disk space for storage since you have the original version plus the black and white rendered copy....

January 11th, 2005, 10:56 AM	#6
Joseph Ivey Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashville Posts: 89	Ok, so if I wanted to do it in post, what filter would I use and how would I use it?

January 11th, 2005, 11:12 AM	#7
Tim Commeijne Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Europe, Belgium, Oostende Posts: 44	Hey Joseph! It's not so dificult to ad black and white in FCP HD: Just add the 3-way collercorrector to you clip, and bring slide the saturation all the wat to the left. Done. greets Tim

January 11th, 2005, 11:21 AM	#8
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Joseph, To get instrutions on how to use your NLE, you have to tell us what NLE you are using.

January 11th, 2005, 11:47 AM	#9
Joseph Ivey Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashville Posts: 89	i am using Final Cut Por HD. Thanks for the help. Also, did anyone know anything about that cool card? If it exists of if I will just have to fix it in post?

January 11th, 2005, 12:16 PM	#10
Kevin Kocak Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 149	Joseph, just think of it like this Saturation=color The lower your saturation the lower your color intensity, and vice versa. This goes for NLE and digital cameras. Just look up saturation in our FCP manual and read up on it. Understanding concepts like this will mke you much more well-rounded as an editor and shooter. It can take a lot of time and study to master these concepts but it is worth it.

January 11th, 2005, 12:24 PM	#11
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Cool cards and warm cards http://www.studio1store.com/ Found it in ten seconds on google.

January 11th, 2005, 08:15 PM	#12
Joseph Ivey Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashville Posts: 89	So can anyone tell me where the option to lower saturation is on the camera and in Final Cut Pro HD? I just got both the program and camera and am a little overwhelmed.

January 11th, 2005, 09:17 PM	#13
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Joseph, The color saturation controls are in the menu program,fin out about them on page 68 and 69 of the manual.

January 12th, 2005, 08:32 AM	#14
Kevin Kocak Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 149	Joseph, I know you are new to the software end the camera but there is a certain amount of research you have to do on your own. These discussion boards aren't for somebody to hold your hand because you didn't feel like reading the manuals and educating yourself before you use your gear. These boards are for abnormalities, legitimate problems and questions which are not addressed in the manuals for the gear. All you have to do is look up saturation in the maual for FCP. It takes about 30 seconds to actually look up the word and find the page where it is described. So you could have solved this problem in a minute and saved a little face. It sounds like you need to take a day or two to read your manuals, do some tutorials and test you equpment before you move forward. This is professional gear you have and you really need to be educated on it to be effecive. Godd luck!

January 12th, 2005, 10:35 AM	#15
David Clark Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Carrollton, Texas Posts: 145	No rendering B&W in Matrox RTX100 With Premiere Pro ! :)